It took me a while to read the last two posts since they were written in what appears to be size 3000 font. But I'll try to respond as best I can.
First, I do not appreciate you using my handle, "godless". It makes it look like I wrote that post, and I did not. Feel free to criticize me and hurl baseless accusations, but make up your own silly name to do so, please.
Second, I have absolutely no affiliation with anyone who posts using the name "hatemonger" or whoever it was that you accused me of being. I don't think I've even read any of her/his posts.
Third, I mentioned Kathy McKee's affiliation with PeTA only because I think it's an interesting bit of information. As Sally pointed out, many people in the animal rights and environmental movements are known to be racist and sexist. I think this is just one interesting case of an animal rights activist crossing over into racist organizing. I have been offended by some things that PeTA has done, but I have been glad to see many other things that they've done. At times, they seem to give vegans like myself a bad rap, but I don't have anything personal against the organization.
I don't think that animal rights activists are necessarily racist, sexist, or fat-phobic. In fact, of all the AR people that I've ever met (and there have been many), I can't think of any that stick out as being overtly racist. However, PAN and its affiliated groups are clearly racist, and they use animal and environmental issues as a cover. Read the article. Check out the links. If you go to the Citizen's Against Illegal Immigration site, they list environmental degradation and animal welfare as reasons to oppose immigration. Likewise, NumbersUSA uses that as their main justification for immigrant-bashing. As an environmentalist and vegan, I feel it is my duty to call out groups and individuals that use feel-good environmental rhetoric to disguise their racist agendas. Not in my name.
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Saturday, Aug. 28, 2004 at 6:18 AM
quit channelling xenophobia thorough ridiculous political means. focus on other important issues. Immigrants come her to better your economy and seek a better life your ancestors thought when they were "illegal pilgrims."
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by Rusty Childress
Tuesday, Aug. 31, 2004 at 9:52 AM
Here's a posting from Kathy McKee- She feels awful about downer livestock, and wishes that " all beings be happy and free from suffering" except of course for Mexicans...she loves cows and pigs, but loving Mexicans is apparently too much for her...
From: The Fund for Animals
To: gdpt@frontiernet.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:46 AM
Subject: URGENT! Downed Animal Vote Expected in U.S. Senate
Urge Your Senators to Support the Akaka Amendment!
The U.S. Senate is expected to vote on an amendment offered by Senator
Akaka to protect downed animals in the next day or two. It is
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This amendment to the Agriculture Appropriations bill seeks to prevent
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remove the market for downed animals, and it will provide the
necessary incentive to prevent the problem from occurring in the first
place. Approximately 90% of downed animals can be prevented with
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Downed animals suffer horribly. They are commonly dragged with chains
or pushed with tractors and forklifts on their way to slaughter.
Downed animals commonly languish for hours or days without receiving
food, water or veterinary care, and many die of neglect.
Using meat from downed animals poses a threat to human consumers.
Downers are among the most likely animals to harbor bacterial
contamination and to be afflicted with various diseases, including mad
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Please contact your two U.S. Senators NOW and urge them to vote Yes on
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Call your two Senators at 202-224-3121, or send them an automatic fax
by visiting our web site:
http://action.fund.org/action/index.asp?step=2&item=5092
For more information on downed animals, please visit:
http://www.nodowners.org
Kathy McKee
MAY ALL BEINGS BE HAPPY AND FREE FROM SUFFERING.
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by truth
Saturday, Sep. 04, 2004 at 1:12 AM
As usual you are wrong.
The (working people not you) people of Arizona (70% +) are sick of paying millions of dollars to support social programs for the Lazy and "ILLEGAL"
We are tired of their crime.
You want to keep them here and use them for election fraud in your favor again....well It aint happenin.
If you people actually had jobs and brains you would realize this.
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by Michael
Sunday, Sep. 05, 2004 at 1:47 AM
Proposition 200 is a joke. "truth" talks about halting spending on social programs for illegal immigrants. Prop 200 does nothing to modify entitlement of undocumented aliens to social programs. Prop 200 does nothing to prevent illegal immigration. Prop 200 does increase the required documentation for voter registration and voting, with a corresponding proliferation of state beaurocracy, and a hefty price tag for the Arizona taxpayer (an estimated 27 million dollars in the first year to implement.) It also in essence deputizes every state, county and municipal employee as a field worker for the INS by requiring that said employees investigate and report citizenship status to the INS. Our state tax dollars will be paying (big time) for state employees to do the work of the federal government in policing immigration, without compensation from the federal government.
So, the only possible positive impact of Prop 200 would be to prevent undocumented aliens from voting, BUT nobody has yet demonstrated that there is any significant incidence of this type of voter fraud in Arizona, so Prop 200 in large part is engineered to remedy a problem which we likely don't have. The negative impact is profound- growing government beaurocracy, an increased financial burden on the taxpayers of Arizona, lost revenue due to boycott (remember the fallout from the MLK holiday issue?)
This is why Prop 200 meets with opposition across the political spectrum from Janet Napolitano to John McCain to the Arizona Chamber of Commerce- it's not because of the racist implications, so much as the fact that Prop 200 is just stupid, expensive legislation which accomplishes nothing.
The "cost" of immigrants
by truth
Wednesday, Sep. 08, 2004 at 5:40 AM
I can't believe anyone would pass off scare tactics as "truth" because I see no proof of the millions of dollars that ondocumented immigrants cost us. Well, unless you cite the "studies" done by KKK offshoots like FAIR.
Most reputable studies show that immigrants pay taxes, but those without documents don't get them refunded like the rest of us. The net gain to Arizona is substantial, but is actually the real tragedy -- that we exploit people from other countries to do undesireable jobs at low pay.
You can't just use the word "truth" to make a ridiculous argument sound legitimate.
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by D.Dukes
Tuesday, Oct. 19, 2004 at 3:53 AM
One does not have t be racially motivated to see a problem with leaving the border situation unchecked. The idea of racism is appealing to both sides of the issue as it is a way to enrage each side against the other. What is necessary is to protect all individuals from exploitation on both sides of the border not increas it. By being sucked into the race issue, you ignorthe facts of a problem other than a race motivate one.
At issue are jobs, health and wealfare of citizens and would be guest workers of whatever race. We have laws in place that are not being enforced and big business making mney off the backs of the poor workers.
If we all continue to struggle against one another based on a racial ideology we will all loose and the big industry slave owners will simply go unincumbered and get righer.
Wake up humanity.
Our borders are wide open. A five strand barbed wire fence is no deterent to anyone. If a living wage was given to all workers, then the explotation of illegal workers would become unnecessary.
UDA's
by D.Dukes
Tuesday, Oct. 19, 2004 at 3:54 AM
One does not have t be racially motivated to see a problem with leaving the border situation unchecked. The idea of racism is appealing to both sides of the issue as it is a way to enrage each side against the other. What is necessary is to protect all individuals from exploitation on both sides of the border not increas it. By being sucked into the race issue, you ignorthe facts of a problem other than a race motivate one.
At issue are jobs, health and wealfare of citizens and would be guest workers of whatever race. We have laws in place that are not being enforced and big business making mney off the backs of the poor workers.
If we all continue to struggle against one another based on a racial ideology we will all loose and the big industry slave owners will simply go unincumbered and get richer.
Wake up humanity.
Our borders are wide open. A five strand barbed wire fence is no deterent to anyone. If a living wage was given to all workers, then the explotation of illegal workers would become unnecessary.
Wheres the proof?
by Triggerhappy
Friday, Dec. 31, 2004 at 2:59 PM
Wheres the proof that any of these groups are "white nationalists"?
When all else fails break out the racism card......you people are such fools
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by Ron Bass
Friday, Feb. 25, 2005 at 6:28 AM
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IF YOU ARE FOR OPEN BORDERS YOU ARE AGAINST THIS NATION.
WHICH SIDE OF THIS ISSUE DO YOU WANT TO BE ON?
Which Side?
by Everybody
Saturday, Feb. 26, 2005 at 12:50 AM
On the side that says you can blow me 'till the goo runs down your chin, Ron old boy!
Take that as anti-American if you choose.
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great logic, JD
by @ kettle
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Hey, JD. If you don't like the way all these immigrants are coming here, why don't you get the fuck out of our country and go back to Europe, fucko! We like immigrants of all kinds just fine. But we don't like you, so get the fuck out, you fascist scum! If you like white people so much, there's plenty of 'em in Germany. But, better bone up on your German, dude!
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