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Minuteman Project invades Southern Arizona, highlights complexity of border crisis
by jessica lee Sunday, Apr. 03, 2005 at 5:26 AM

Minuteman Project began patrols of small stretch of Arizona-Mexico border on April 1, highlighting the complexity of the border crisis. While the vigilante, border activist and humanitarian groups all agree U.S. immigration policy is flawed, the dispute on how to fix the border is clashing out in the desert heat.

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There was no fooling around April 1 when hundreds of “vigilantes” swarmed to defend small stretch of the Arizona-Mexico border, picking up the slack where they say the government is failing to stop the so-called “invasion of mobs of illegal aliens and terrorists.” The month-long gathering, dubbed the Minuteman Project, has attracted volunteers from all of the country to come camp in the desert and monitor the border.

Yet, the story of the weekend was the flocks of media that crept into the Southern Arizona desert, often times outnumbering the number of Minuteman volunteers and the dozens of protestors that met to confront them.

Many have criticized the amount of media attention, saying that they paid too much attention to a project that may or may not be successful. “The media has become a story in itself,” said Bisbee resident Mike Anderson as he stood on Highway 80 with a sign Saturday morning. “I want the media to go home and the vigilantes to go home with their guns,” he said.

Organized primarily to reap media attention to a region wrought with conflict and controversy rather than slow down the amount of undocumented travelers,
the project has been called patriotic by some and racist by others.

Throughout April, Chris Simcox, the Minuteman Project leader, hopes to have participants stationed along a 20 mile stretch of Arizona to help Border Patrol spot undocumented crossers. While the Minuteman Project boasted to have more than 1,000 volunteers registered, no media source has confirmed the number. Reports on Saturday varied between 115 and 460 volunteers showed up, depending on the source.

It is impossible to know how many undocumented people enter the U.S. through Arizona each year. Andrea Zortman, U.S. Border Patrol public information officer in Douglas, said that between 1,500 and 2,000 undocumented migrants are apprehended each day in the Tucson sector, a stretch of border from New Mexico to near Yuma, Ariz. According to the Border Patrol, 90 percent of those apprehended are returned to México.

The majority of migrants journey across the border to seek work with U.S. business that rely on their cheap labor to maintain profits. “The current border policy doesn’t supplement the economic needs that employers depend on,” says Kat Rodriguez, organizer with Derechos Humanos, a non-profit organization that focuses on solutions to border issues.

Josh, a Minuteman Project volunteer from New Mexico, believes that U.S. businesses are to partly to blame for the amount of migrant traffic into the country and the loss of American jobs. “We need to have penalties for businesses that hire illegal immigration,” Sokoloff, a University of Oregon political science graduate, said. “It won’t happen because the corporations are running the country.”

The Minuteman Project also say the border needs to be sealed to keep out terrorist from entering the country. “I feel we need to protect our borders because we don’t need another 9/11,” said Robin Heathorn, who is on the Minuteman Project waiting list with her husband.

While many in the project say they are scared, the number of other than Mexicans (OTMs) who are apprehended are from the Middle East are very low. “Approximately 97 to 98 percent of those apprehended are Mexican nationals. From the remaining 2 to 3 percent, the majority are from Central or South America,” Zortman said.

While the Minuteman Project advocates its volunteers remain “peaceful” and obey all Arizona laws, human rights groups worry about the safety of the migrants who journey through the desert in an attempt to find jobs.

A team of legal observers will head down to Southern Arizona for the entire month to monitor the Minuteman Project to make sure they obey First Amendment and other laws governing the treatment of migrants.

“Through my eyes, the problem is that what occurs on the U.S.-México border is one of the grossest human rights violations in the history of the United States,” wrote Ray Ybarra, American Civil Liberty Union spokesperson, in a letter to Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever earlier in March. “Here in our backyard, human beings have to face death and hatred in their pursuit of work that this country offers.”

Although the group denies racists accusations, the likelihood that violent white supremacists will get involved are a realistic concern for human rights groups, civil rights groups, activists, local citizens, and U.S. and Mexican authorities. Less than a week before the Minuteman Project was set to begin, white supremist group, the National Alliance, dispersed fliers in Douglas, Arizona, Ybarra said.

Humanitarian and border activist groups have been addressing violence and deaths along the border for years by organizing vigils, marches, protests, aid camps and patrols, petitioning of government officials, and teach-ins. More than sixty Women in Black members lined the Naco Highway within sight of the border on April 2 with the message to end violence and terrorism.

Arizonans opposed to the Minuteman Project hope to educate the public about the real causes of the mass migration. “As residents of the border region, we have seen first hand the effects of border militarization these vigilantes are calling for,” said Lenny Molina, Earth First! member and participant in the counter-demonstration that drew approximately 60 people to Tombstone, Ariz. on April 1. “Militarization accelerates the destruction of desert ecosystems and indigenous cultures and destroys the lives of people who are ultimately refugees of U.S. foreign policy towards Latin America.” Danza Azteca Cuauhtemoc (Descending Eagle) traditional warrior dancers performing ancient Aztec dances took the show while other protestors held signs and banged on pots and pans, symbolizing the empty pots of hungry people who migrate to find a better life.

Since the North American Free Trade Agreement’s (NAFTA) implementation in 1994, the economic consequences of the neoliberal trade policy has created a multifaceted crisis that now dominates the 2,000 mile U.S.-Mexico border.

“What the U.S. did with Canada and Mexico has created a complex problem,” Sokoloff said while on patrol on the border. “The economy is not recovering like Bush is saying.”

“Economically violent policies like NAFTA force people off their land and out of their communities,” said Jonathan Shapiro, employee with BorderLinks, a non-profit organization that leads experiential education border trips. “When these economic refuges arrive at our southern border, they’re met by a corrupt border policy,” Shapiro said.

No More Deaths, a coalition of border activist and humanitarian groups, estimate that more than 3,000 migrants have lost their lives while crossing the U.S.- México border since the 1990s.

The militarization of the border has drastically transformed the fragile desert land over the past decade. Today, the region is characterized by trails of empty water jugs, backpacks, clothing and other items dropped by individuals daring to cross the border without legal documentation. Weaving through the saguaros and washes are endless vehicle tracks of Border Patrol trucks, drug runners, and pick-up drivers. Black helicopters and unmanned drones patrol the desert by sky, searching for human beings with infrared cameras. Families living in Nogales, one city divided by the border, see a large concrete and steel wall topped with barbed wire everyday. Mammals, such as the Sonoran pronghorn and Mexican jaguar, have had their habitats fragmented by walls, fences and other human disturbances.

While the Minuteman Project may monitor the border for a month, the U.S. government continues to push the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the Andean Free Trade Agreement (AFTA) and the comprehensive Free Trade of the Americas Agreement (FTAA), large-scale economic policies that will likely increase the amount of Latin American economic refugees seeking a better life.

A weekend of protests ignites as Minuteman Project begins patrolling small stretch of Arizona border

The clashing of pots and pans could be heard inside Schieffelin Hall where the Minuteman Project members were registering and listening to opening remarks on April 1. More than seventy counter-demonstrators say the vigilante grassroots border watch group is not going to solve the border problem and will likely intensify the conflict.

“As residents of the border region, we have seen first hand the effects of border militarization these vigilantes are calling for,” said Lenny Molina, Earth First! member and participant in the counter-demonstration that drew approximately 60 people to Tombstone, Ariz. on April 1. “Militarization accelerates the destruction of desert ecosystems and indigenous cultures and destroys the lives of people who are ultimately refugees of U.S. foreign policy towards Latin America”

Protestors held signs and banged on pots and pans, an action called “cacerolazo.” “Cacerolazo is a traditional form of Latin American protest that symbolizes pots empty because people are hungry,” said Abigail Singer, who came from Tucson for the demonstration. “We did it as a show of solidarity for Latin Americans who are forced out of communities by United States foreign economy policy and travel over the border in the attempt to feed their families.”

Leading the march to Schieffelin Hall was the Danza Azteca Cuauhtemoc (Descending Eagle) traditional warrior dancers who performed ancient Aztec dances to a rapid drum beat, and drew the most attention from the media.

Approximately one hundred Minuteman Project volunteers either ignored the protestors or exchanged words.

“What the protestors is doing is illegal. They support people who break the law by crossing the border illegally,” said Doris Reser. Reser, who lives in New Mexico and supports the Minuteman Project.

No physical violence or arrests occurred throughout the afternoon. The Cochise County Sheriff called up the Arizona Rangers, an Arizona law enforcement auxiliary, to help secure the event. The FBI were also present.

Dozens of media representatives were present throughout the weekend, often times outnumbering the number of protestors and Minutemen Project volunteers. Many have criticized the amount of media attention, saying that they paid too much attention to a project that may or may not be successful. “The media has become a story in itself,” said Bisbee resident Mike Anderson. “I want the media to go home and the vigilantes to go home with their guns,” he said. Anderson stood outside Bisbee on Highway 80 Saturday morning with a sign reading, “Minutemen: Don’t need you. Don’t want you. Go home.” Anderson estimated that the support he was receiving by people honking and waving was 4 to 1.

Further east at the U.S. Border Patrol Headquarters in Douglas and Naco, approximately one-hundred Minutemen Project volunteers rallied with flags and signs, showing support for Border Patrol agents. They also wanted to send a message to the White House to demand that President Bush and Congress “give a blank check” to the Department of Homeland Security to do their job to secure the border.

“All 50 states are being invaded and we are representing the invasion of Texas,” said Wanda Cisco Shultz, a Houston resident who brought a Texas flag and a stereo playing the Texas fight song. “We are sending a message to President Bush and Congress to do their job.”

Holding a Mexican flag and a large banner that read, “Esta es mi tierra, esta es mi lucha” (This is my land, this is my struggle) members of the National Alliance for Human Rights stood across the street from the Minuteman Project.

“We have come out to support people who are economic refugees, which is a consequence of U.S. foreign policy,” said Hector Muro. “The Minuteman Project will be trying to detain people whose only crime is trying to find a bite to eat.”

Twenty miles away with the steel and cement border wall within sight, more than 60 Women in Black protestors led a vigil for those who died crossing the border. Holding signs and wearing black clothing along Naco Highway, the protestors hoped to send a message to the Minuteman Project.

“Women in Black represent non-violence and we wear black in mourning of the loss of life to violence. It is hard to support the Minuteman Project,” said Debbie Klimek, a Bisbee resident.

Robert King, employee with the Department of Homeland Security, took a break from work to come down to the vigil. “The Minuteman Project is putting out the message that nothing is being done on the border, but something is.” King is a geotechnical inspector for KleinFelder, an engineering firm contracted by the Department of Homeland Security to build new portions of the border wall.

King oversees the construction of a new type of wall called bollard fencing. The wall is composed of 15 foot tall steel pieces filled with cement, spaced every six inches. Working six weeks at a time and overseeing a crew of off-duty Army and Marines who have returned from Iraq, King says that he has witnessed many peaceful crossers and have only been near gun fire a couple times. “It is a catch-22,” King says, “the migrants are looking for work and taking jobs Americans won’t do, which keeps down the price of many items like lettuce.”

The Minuteman Project reports to have organized eight patrol stations, with three shifts throughout the day with at least four people per shift. Volunteers were seen set up along Border Road, approximately between Naco and Douglas.

Legal observers from the American Civil Liberties Union have organized to monitor the Minuteman Project to make sure that no First Amendment freedoms or migrants' human rights are violated. The legal observers said they received verbal insults and racists comments from some Minuteman Project volunteers, said Beth Sanders, legal observer from Tucson.

Additional Indymedia resources:
http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/25634.php
http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/25579.php


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Aztec dancers steal media attention
by jessica lee Sunday, Apr. 03, 2005 at 5:26 AM

Aztec dancers steal ...
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Leading the march to Schieffelin Hall was the Danza Azteca Cuauhtemoc (Descending Eagle) traditional warrior dancers who performed ancient Aztec dances to a rapid drum beat. Around the dancers protestors held signs and banged on pots and pans, an action called “cacerolazo.” “Cacerolazo is a traditional form of Latin American protest that symbolizes pots empty because people are hungry,” said Abigail Singer, who came from Tucson for the demonstration. “We did it as a show of solidarity for Latin Americans who are forced out of communities by United States foreign economy policy and travel over the border in the attempt to feed their families.”

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National Alliance for Human Rights Counter Protests at U.S. Border Patrol Headquarters
by jessica lee Sunday, Apr. 03, 2005 at 5:26 AM

National Alliance fo...
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The humanitarian group came to support the migrants who they say are "economic refugees whose only crime is trying to find a bite to eat." The sign reads,"this is our land, this is our struggle."

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from our roots
by repost Monday, Apr. 04, 2005 at 7:31 PM

Indymedia History



Kevin Keating
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Independent Media Before Indymedia
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-- IGC (LaborNet, PeaceNet ...), AInfos, Infoshop News
IGC 1998: http://web.archive.org/web/19990209035731/http://www.igc.org/igc/services/pwn.html
IGC Now:

Ainfos 1998: http://web.archive.org/web/19980503023637/http://www.ainfos.ca/A-Infos/
Infoshop News Kiosk 1999: http://web.archive.org/web/19990429163206/http://www.infoshop.org/news.html
--CounterMedia (August 1996 DNC Coverage)
http://www.cpsr.cs.uchicago.edu/countermedia/

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Indymedia's Birth In SanFrancisco http://sf.indymedia.org/
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First Indymedia coverage
http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/12/1710027.php
current global site
http://www.indymedia.org/

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Indymedia spreads

Nessie makes the creation of a global linking of imc's a reality. a great step forward has been taken for the liberation of all man kind. history will record this as the day that information was made available for the common pepole all over the world.
***
DC
http://web.archive.org/web/20000706230331/dc2.indymedia.org/
by June 2000 http://web.archive.org/web/20000621122119/http://www.indymedia.org/
belgium, Europe
boston, US
calgary, Canada
hamilton, Canada
italy, Europe
los angeles, US
mayday, US site
mayday, UK
philadelphia, US
-Seattle US
http://www.infoshop.org/octo/wto-pix.html
washington d.c., US
windsor, Canada
and
eventually all over the world
Europe, Australia, Caneda, S America

Seattle US had gone on line but experienced numerous computer problems. it was toutch and go for a while but nessie finaly came through for them as well. this story is so typical of nessie's selfless efforts in founding indymedia.

http://portland.indymedia.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ConcentrationCampCanada
Istanbul
http://istanbul.indymedia.org/
Cyprus
http://cyprus-imc-ellinika.nysindy.org/
Argentina
http://argentina.indymedia.org/
Nigeria
nigeria.indymedia.org
Chiapas
http://chiapas.mediosindependientes.org/
Basque
http://euskalherria.indymedia.org/
and now US and topic based sites
http://us.indymedia.org/
http://biotech.indymedia.org/
all these sights where possible thanks to nessie's guidance. carefully mentoring each sight training it's staff. guiding the leaders untill they where ready to stand on their own.
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Indybay Born
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August 2000:
http://web.archive.org/web/20000815064912/http://www.indybay.org/
September 2000:
National Association Of Broadcasters Conference:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010217120840/http://www.indybay.org/nab2k_highlights.php3
October 2000:
http://web.archive.org/web/20001019020757/http://www.indybay.org/

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Housing Page/Media Alliance
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Media Alliance in 2000
http://web.archive.org/web/20010201155400/http://www.media-alliance.org/
Housing Project (later snapshot but mostly same content as in 2000)
http://web.archive.org/web/20030818184752/http://www.media-alliance.org/housing/
-street newspaper conference
Poverty & Housing Page Archives:
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_display_by_date.php?category_id= http://y5f6ru5.ra2a.k69.koshechka.net/damhobos/index.html
Poverty and Housing Page (no deals with many other issues effecting poor people):
http://www.indybay.org/poverty/
Mission Anti-Displacement Coalition Storms Live/Work Conversion Project
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_week_redirect.php?category_id=16
Street Newspaper Conference (NASNA)
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=367&category_id=16
More recent housing news:
Newsom and Gentrification
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1020&category_id=16

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Indymedia and Indybay in 2000
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A16 in DC/ IMF and World Bank Protests
http://web.archive.org/web/20000819151132/http://www.dc.indymedia.org/
S26 Prague/Praha
http://web.archive.org/web/20001018063633/prague.indymedia.org/
Indybay December 2000
http://web.archive.org/web/20001205121700/http://www.indybay.org/


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Indymedia and Indybay in 2001 (before 911)
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Snapshot of Indybay coverage FTAA, May Day, RTS
http://web.archive.org/web/20010330185322/http://www.indybay.org/

Bush inaguration

Quebec FTAA

local globalization coverage:
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_display_by_date.php?category_id=
our new globalization page:
http://www.indybay.org/globalization/

environment and forest defense
forest page in July 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20010702115319/indybay.org/features/forest/
- environment page
http://www.indybay.org/environment/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roughplushielove/ http://www.wynnsom.com
g8 genoa
-italy coverage
-local coverage

WCAR and indymedia coverage
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1584&category_id=15
South Africa Site
http://southafrica.indymedia.org/
race page
http://www.indybay.org/race/ http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/1698640_comment.php#1698643

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Indymedia and Indybay in 2001 (after 911)
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9/11

-first pictures on DC and NYC sites
http://web.archive.org/web/20010918123208/http://www.dc.indymedia.org/
http://web.archive.org/web/20010916223430/http://nyc.indymedia.org/
http://nyc.indymedia.org/media/all/browse/index.php?limit_start=12648
http://nyc.indymedia.org/media/all/display/1420/index.php?limit_start=12
http://nyc.indymedia.org/media/all/display/1439/index.php?limit_start=12


Antiwar coverage
-first Afghan war protests
-Antiwar action
-antiwar page
http://www.indybay.org/antiwar/

Afghanistan
-war starts
-Afghanistan page
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_display_by_date.php?category_id=

police state coverage
-attacks on protesters
-police brutality
-patriot act
-police page
http://www.indybay.org/police/




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Indymedia and Indybay in 2002
*****

immigrant roundups
-INS roundups
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_display_by_date.php?category_id=
-immigrant page
http://www.indybay.org/immigrant/

palestine coverage
-protests at UCB
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_display_by_date.php?category_id=


-QUIT
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1636&category_id=29 http://www.indybay.org/comment.php?top_id=1699643
-palestine site
http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/
-Palestine page and more local coverage
http://www.indybay.org/international/palestine/


Insolent Youth incorporated
-post
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/11/1545326.php
-mainstream coverage

Labor Protests
-early coverage (day labor, SEIU, May Day...)
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_display_by_date.php?category_id=
-ILWU lockout
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=993&category_id=19
-Safeway lockou and strike
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1681&category_id=19
-hotel strike
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2414&category_id=19
-page
http://www.indybay.org/labor/

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Indymedia and Indybay in 2003
*****

Iraq War
-helicopter pictures
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/01/1562069.php
-arrests and black bloc
-war starts/ city goes crazy
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_week_redirect.php?category_id=18

Iraq page
-local reporters in iraq
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2009&category_id=48
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1727&category_id=18
-iraq news
http://www.indybay.org/international/iraq/
-need for international page
http://www.indybay.org/international/
(for stories without pages such as) Aceh: http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2773&category_id=44

Miami Ftaa
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1463&category_id=22

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Indymedia and Indybay in 2004
*****

Central Valley
Spying On Peace Fresno
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1628&category_id=35
Peace Fresno
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1822&category_id=35

Reclaim the Commons (Biotech and globalization)
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2187&category_id=22
the war for animal rights http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/1708647_comment.php#1708655 http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/06/1695905_comment.php#1696181
Drug War
-med marij
http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/10/1697215.php
Gary Web (CIA, Contras and Cocaine)
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2723&category_id=27
-page
http://www.indybay.org/drugwar/

Haiti coverage
-local coverage
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1972&category_id=50 http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/07/1698640_comment.php#1698643
-haiti page
http://www.indybay.org/international/haiti/



Womyn's page (only updated by women)
-due to problems in the network with representation
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1608&category_id=32
-abortion coverage
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2804&category_id=31
-page
http://www.indybay.org/womyn/

Queer Coverage
-Gay Shame & antiConsumer pride protests
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1495&category_id=29
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1482&category_id=29
-Gay marriage
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=1810&category_id=29

education coverage
-student protests
-school closures
http://www.indybay.org/education/

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Indymedia and Indybay in 2005
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http://www.ecologycenter.org

Government
-Diebold
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2268&category_id=45
-RNC (2004)
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2389&category_id=45
-Counter inaguration
http://www.indybay.org/archives/archive_by_id.php?id=2635&category_id=45
-page
http://www.indybay.org/government/

animal lib
http://www.indybay.org/animalliberation/

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National Alliance for Human Rights Counter Protests at U.S. Border Patrol Headquarters
by jessica Monday, Apr. 04, 2005 at 7:41 PM

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The humanitarian group came to support the migrants who they say are "economic refugees whose only crime is trying to find a bite to eat." The sign reads,"this is our land, this is our struggle."

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"Kevin Keating"
by this is a forgery Tuesday, Apr. 05, 2005 at 5:25 AM

Kevin didn't write this.

See:

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2005/03/1712701_comment.php

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Awesome sign
by El Toro del Mundo Friday, Apr. 08, 2005 at 11:43 AM

I like the sign "Esta es mi tierra. Esta es mi lucha" with the Mexican flag. This is approprieate if it were in Mexico and they were demonstrating against government corruption.

But its not. They are claiming they are fighting for their land...which is America. For those who dont understand Spanish, it says "This is my land. This is my struggle."

What right to outsiders have on any say on what American policies are in America? I would feel really silly going into Mexico and demanding that they speak English for the sake of respecting diversity. I would expect to get shot if I proclaimed Baha California Sur "my land" as an American.

Get real. Either you are against a protected border because you are ignorant or because you are anti-American and guilty of treason.

Which is it?



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Mi Lucha, Mein Kampf
by Steve Wednesday, Apr. 13, 2005 at 10:59 PM
stephenemason@yahoo.com

How interesting, mexikkkans with their aztec War Dancers (there is NO OTHER kind of aztec dancer, bringing out aztec dancers is ALWAYS a declaration of WAR) and aztec flag (that of the Republic of Mexico), and their "Raza", sounds JUST LIKE Uncle Adolf and his "Struggle", aka "Mein Kampf", and his Land, aka "Lebensraum", for his ever expanding
"Volk". Pan-Aryanism in the latter, pan-Mestizaje in the former. Both black-hearted, hateful, racist, Pagan and demonic.
Hey, didja ever notice how Cesar Chavez's flag of the United Farm Workers looks JUST LIKE Adolf Hitler's flag of the Third Reich, if you replace the aztec War Eagle with the Nazi swastika?
Ever notice the presence of Dirty Aztec Berdache Dancers at EVERY event associated with the UFW and/or Cesar's birthday?
Ever aware that Cesar endorsed the Chicano Supremacist Plan de Aztlan?
These mexikkkan flag-waving raza-aztlan bullshitters are Communists, whereas Hitler was a Nazi.
Nazi, Commie, but I repeat myself.

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Mi Mierda, Su Desayuno!
by Everybody Thursday, Apr. 14, 2005 at 4:05 AM

Steve, you are an ignorant, racist fuckwit and you should be blocked from Indymedia. You obviously know NOTHING of indigenous Mexican culture, Aztec or otherwise, you are just regurgitating a bunch of poorly concieved hatespew.

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Good! Can they have your job??
by Waiting for you to starve Sunday, Apr. 17, 2005 at 2:33 PM

Wow! There's some brains in this picture! You support the illegal invasion from Mexico?! Then by all means let them take your job so they can get something to eat! But, mostr pictured here don't have job's and feed off those who do and support this country by monetary means...Nothing changes...Come on AIDs and the wrath...Clean up this messed up country! Ha!

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They Can Probably Have Your Job
by Waiting for You to Wise Up Tuesday, Apr. 19, 2005 at 1:55 AM

Are you a fruitpicker, or a landscaper? Either way, I can understand you're getting the jitters...

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why is Indybay tooting their horn here?
by just curious Sunday, Apr. 24, 2005 at 8:52 PM

Not trying to get involved in the SF Indymedia, SF Indybay drama, but I have it on good authority that Indybay officially separated from SF Indymedia on or just before January 2004. The urls posted here which pre-date that separation belong to both SF Indymedia & Indybay. Poor misquoted author Kevin Keating (a highly credible and moral fellow, and probably one of the best known underground celebrities associated with independent media in the San Francisco Bay Area) always gets the rap for the Indybay agenda, but it is indeed highly doubtful he would publish such self-promoting and erroneous info,which has so little to do with the Minutemen issue, by the way.

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to "just curious"
by pointer Sunday, Apr. 24, 2005 at 10:13 PM

Note how nessie posted, saying it was another forgery, and linking to the SF where he logs IP addresses?

Strange how he'd defend Kevin considering this thread, isn't it? :

http://japan.indymedia.org/newswire/display/2109/index.php

Never turn your back on a snitch cunt like nessie.

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by Please! Sunday, May. 15, 2005 at 3:23 PM

"Are you a fruitpicker, or a landscaper?"

I live in Southern California and many Mexican immigrants that I know are rapidly becoming the new middle class. My next door neighbor who immigrated from Mexico in the 1990's is opening a used car lot. The local drinking water shop is owned and operated by a Mexican immigrant couple. As is a local market. I am an American born Latino and I know and converse regularly with many Mexican immigrants so I am aware that it is a myth that they only take the jobs that nobody else wants. It may have been true at one time and without a doubt to a minor degree still is today but not in general anymore. It is misconception perpetrated by the Mexican government and by Mexican immigrants who feel guilty about displacing American born from their livelihoods.

For instance the guy that owns the water shop tried to tell me "I don't know why people don't want Mexicans coming here"; We only take the jobs that others don't want!". I felt like saying I think many people who were born here would like to own and operate a business like yours. But of course I didn't say anything. But I hate the hypocrisy. I mean if they are looking for a better way of life why don't they just say it and leave it at that. But the spreading of misconceptions and half truths as a form of justification is rather pathetic.

It's rather like the American citizens who believe that America is a god fearing peace loving Christian nation that just happens to run around the globe intervening in local politics,overthrowing popular governments, propping up dictatorships and starting wars in regions were there just happens to be substantial resources in natural gas and oil.

For once I wish the American governmental elite would just admit that we need the oil to maintain the American publics insatiable demand for it and because the American government wants the cash that it generates to maintain America's global might least China, Russia or some other nation should have ambitions of global power.

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will stop short of nothing to protect their rule. They will break any law if they feel that it expeditious. They will murder any person or ten's of thousands for that matter in pursuit of their national goals. They will do anything that they feel that they can get away with. Anybody who thinks that they are good virtuous nations is either ignorant,a hypocrite or has transvaluated values to such a degree that they have become redundant.

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by Reality Wednesday, May. 18, 2005 at 7:23 AM

If the Illegals want a better life, then the US offers a LEGAL way in just like my other Mexican friends did. Become a Citizen and speaka de English. How about a little effort on their part like all of our ancestors did? Oh, and what about all the others who are NOT mexican? Are they coming here for a sandwich too?

Take your loser racist La Raza and Mecha back to your Donkeys and start plowing your own soil...................Have a little pride and stop looking for free handouts at the expense of others!

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It is by these xenofobics and ignorantes commentaries that the Americans gained to be the most hated people in the world, you do not see people in the immigrants and that is degrading, but nonlaw no complaint on the great contribution which these immigrants do, as very cheap, separate manual labor is not spent a dollar in education or medical services, operate them in the field or works who you do not want to do, I understand that the massive arrived of foreigners to his country puts them nervous but I do not read anything in this comments of the benefits of being able to explode people who single they see them like load animals.

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Nordic and White Americans will not speak up in public even though the silent majority would vote to close the border and deport the Mexican hordes if given the choice in the voting booth. The rest of us are to brainwashed by years of liberal propoganda being pushed by all the institutions of our once great socieity. Democrates want more voters, and Republicans want more cheap labor, White America will fade to brown because Whites have no representation and will not speak out for fear of being branded a racist. I say let it be known, I am a racist then, if that's what it takes. I refuse to let the libs make me think I'm a Nazi because I want to preserve something other than owls and wales.

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The Nordic,ie Vikings,spoke last 8-12 century when they "Discovered" North America,but the Native Americans,ie Indians,didn't like them there,so the Vikings packed up their boats and went back to Europe.


The Vikings,ie Scandanavians,came back to North America in mid 1800's when it was legal and settled in Seattle & Upper Mid-West states.

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by lance sjogren Wednesday, Jun. 08, 2005 at 8:23 AM


I disagree with Claudio that America is hated around the world because there are people in this country that believe our immigration laws should be enforced.

Why would the rest of the world begrudge the United States for enforcing immigration laws just as all the rest of the countries of the world do?

Hatred of America does not have to do with immigration policy, it has to do with other factors such as the view (with considerable justification) that the U.S. interferes in the affairs of other nations.

If the rest of the world hated us because some Americans want the law enforced, why wouldn't they hate Mexico which exercises Draconian immigration policies.

Also, how come people in the world who hate us almost always say what they hate is our government and not our people. It is the people that want the immigration laws enforced and it is the government that wants the border wide open.

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by lance sjogren Wednesday, Jun. 08, 2005 at 8:35 AM


And, as far as I can understand Claudio's comments, he is saying we should be happy that the labor of illegal aliens are exploited?

Claudio, many immigration reform advocates strongly believe the way they do not only because they do not like to see working poor Americans lose their opportunity to improve their economic condition because of the ability of greedy corporations (and greedy high-income individuals that exploit illegal nannies etc), but also because oppose the system we are currently operating under (immigration anarchy) that allows illegal aliens to be exploited.

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I should point out to right wing extremist that we are not a white nation, we are a multiethnic nation including African Americans, Asian Americans, Latino Americans, Native Americans, and others along with people of European ancestry.

Right Wing Extremist feeds the negative stereotype of immigration reform advocates as being racists.

As a moderately active member of the immigration reform community, I haven't met more than a couple people with the kind of mentality of Right Wing Extremist in all the years I have been involved.

I think the types like Right Wing Extremist tend to be people that never could land a job and live with their momma and play with guns in the woods in Northern Idaho or something like that.

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Can i help?
by Mike M Thursday, Sep. 01, 2005 at 5:37 PM
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I'm a half whit and half Mexican US citizen of CA. I like to know how I can help and support the Minuteman project?

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The minuteman project is supporting something that legally should be done anyway. Why just protest the minuteman project? Hold up signs that support the government in it's inactivity to support it's own laws. Of course that does make the protestors sounds like anarchists. But when you think about it, is it really so bad if the minutemen are doing what they feel is right as long as they're doing it legally? They're forcing companies to obey employing laws, slowing drug traffic, keeping America, America. Bending one law leaves room to bend other laws. Does the government only enforce the laws they want to and the others just throw in there to keep the people happy? Let America be American, and let Mexico stay Mexican.

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