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Minuteman Project Undercover
by kpho
Friday, Apr. 08, 2005 at 7:13 AM
"But behind the scenes, our hidden cameras show there are problems and plenty the Minutemen are not telling reporters."
(link to video and story below)
The protests and the patrols, the flags and the signs, Minuteman Project coordinator Jim Gilchrist has told the media this "event" is running like a well-oiled machine.
Gilchrist says, "The sheriff's department has been very supportive."
But behind the scenes, our hidden cameras show there are problems and plenty the Minutemen are not telling reporters.
A lady on Hidden cam says, "We don't want the press to find out where the information is being handed out because we'll have CNN and FOX and yeah." They're controlling what you hear, from why some of these volunteers "really" came to southern Arizona:
John says, "If the border's gone, they're going to be pushing drugs on every one of our kids at school." To problems the organizers are having controlling the extremists who showed up.
John says, "The guys up here, on what we were talking about earlier on Mountain View, with the shotguns and the flag and lighting the fire. And lighting a fire on G-----n BLM land."
To get the real story, we went undercover, camping and patrolling with the Minuteman volunteers. We blended in because we had signed up as volunteers ourselves. A woman on our Hidden Cam says, " Noon and four.. Chris will give you your assignments - probably walk you in to the spot."
Our "spot" is at the base of the Huachuca Mountains, on the side of a state highway, just south of Sierra Vista. Along with instructions on what to do if our group spots illegal immigrants, we're told something else over and over. One man says, "Don't be talking to the press. They'll misconstrue things.. not all of them, but we don't know which ones will and which ones won't."
The concern over the media is so great all of the volunteers are given these guidelines, that give suggestions for what they should say if they are interviewed. One woman says, "Economically it's ruining us. Environmentally it's ruining us." Suggestions that make it onto the major news networks.
One man says, "I think it's become a major national security issue."
But the stories we get from our fellow volunteers when they don't know they're on camera give an uncensored version. Marc says, "You walk into a MacDonald's and you wake up and realize the entire third world is here." This Tucson resident tells us he doesn't like what Mexicans do to his neighborhood. Marc says, "It's not like these are poor immigrants are coming here for minimum wage jobs. A lot of these people have thousands of dollars in their pockets."
This couple from Georgia tells us they believe their small town is being invaded. The Georgia man says, "Until the Mexicans started moving in in '94..'95.. Dalton was about 35,000."
There are eight volunteers in our group, from as far away as Boston and Washington , DC . Our mission is to patrol this stretch of roadway, keeping an eye on two washes and a field. It doesn't take long to find what the Minutemen are looking for. On volunteer says, "(So what do we have?) They're sleeping under the bridge. I just called the Border Patrol - they're sending a guy out."
The Georgia couple has spotted a group of suspected illegal immigrants. One man says, "The lady here.. she took off like a herd of elephants." Unfamiliar with the terrain and the situation, the lady from Georgia tripped and fell, splitting her chin.
Marc says, "One of them just ran up the wash and there's possibly four more." Across the highway, more Minutemen show up with video cameras, eager to catch a real apprehension on tape. After 10 minutes, Border Patrol agents arrive and take five illegal immigrants into custody. The Minutemen here follow their instructions - keeping their distance - and observing, as the agents do their jobs. It's a relief for my producer and myself, given the fact - everyone in our group - except us - is armed with handguns.
But as the sun goes down, problems keeping control of a group as big as the Minutemen begin to surface. Marc says, "There was a standoff and people got killed." The man from Tucson is asked to leave our group - because he keeps talking to reporters. John says, "People like that, they'll drag down, they'll drag down the whole thing." And as the night goes on, a drama unfolds across the highway. Some of the volunteers are carrying shotguns, which is against the rules and our group leader admits: Minuteman organizers are having trouble deciding what to do about it. Adahm/John says, "(What's up with the shotgun guys? How are you going to deal with those two?) I have no idea.. that's out of my.. I don't even want to go up there." Adahm/John says, "(Well don't they have a guy like you are with us? Don't they have their?) He's not there. I can't find him." The man says, "I hope they're not drinking or anything. I didn't see any beer there."
That was the end of our mission. We were done. The next day, project organizer Jim Gilchrist - confronted with the shotgun story - re-gained his tight control over the information going out. Gilchrist says, "That report was followed up.. we did trace those people down. They are not Minuteman project.. they are not Minuteman project volunteers. They are rogue patrollers posing as Minuteman volunteers."
link to story and video: http://www.kpho.com/Global/story.asp?S=3183042&nav=DIH7YQL2
Great
by El Toro del Mundo
Friday, Apr. 08, 2005 at 10:38 AM
"A lady on Hidden cam says, "We don't want the press to find out where the information is being handed out because we'll have CNN and FOX and yeah." They're controlling what you hear, from why some of these volunteers "really" came to southern Arizona:"
The press knows what is happening there. So what if these real Americans dont want to tell them where they will be? They are not controlling what we hear anymore than I do when I don't alert the media to where I will eat tonight.
"John says, "If the border's gone, they're going to be pushing drugs on every one of our kids at school." To problems the organizers are having controlling the extremists who showed up."
How is it evidence of extremism to understand cocaine often comes in from Mexico via illegals earning their passage?
"John says, "The guys up here, on what we were talking about earlier on Mountain View, with the shotguns and the flag and lighting the fire. And lighting a fire on G-----n BLM land.""
So what.
"To get the real story, we went undercover, camping and patrolling with the Minuteman volunteers. We blended in because we had signed up as volunteers ourselves. A woman on our Hidden Cam says, " Noon and four.. Chris will give you your assignments - probably walk you in to the spot." "
Well decent people are infiltrated in treasonous groups like ANSWER and other communist/socialist organizations masquarding as peace groups. So what.
"Our "spot" is at the base of the Huachuca Mountains, on the side of a state highway, just south of Sierra Vista. Along with instructions on what to do if our group spots illegal immigrants, we're told something else over and over. One man says, "Don't be talking to the press. They'll misconstrue things.. not all of them, but we don't know which ones will and which ones won't.""
And you doubt some America-hating Journalist (pronouncing the "J" in the European way as an "Y" will give you a more correct word) would slant against a group supporting protecting America? Certainly some will...its like the sun coming up in the morning.
"The concern over the media is so great all of the volunteers are given these guidelines, that give suggestions for what they should say if they are interviewed. One woman says, "Economically it's ruining us. Environmentally it's ruining us." Suggestions that make it onto the major news networks."
How are any of those talking points wrong?
"One man says, "I think it's become a major national security issue.""
That is a certainty to anyone honest about this situation.
"But the stories we get from our fellow volunteers when they don't know they're on camera give an uncensored version. Marc says, "You walk into a MacDonald's and you wake up and realize the entire third world is here." This Tucson resident tells us he doesn't like what Mexicans do to his neighborhood. Marc says, "It's not like these are poor immigrants are coming here for minimum wage jobs. A lot of these people have thousands of dollars in their pockets." "
All true. Illegals have destroyed the areas they live in. The problem really is the nature of thier status. They really dont have any long term plans. They may get deported, they are just earning money and care nothing for this country, and they have no respect for this country as they see themselves as Mexicans... not American-Mexicans. I have seen a few illegals with pockets full of large bills, but not most. Those are the ones who don't blow 2/3 of their pay at the cantina every Friday.
"This couple from Georgia tells us they believe their small town is being invaded. The Georgia man says, "Until the Mexicans started moving in in '94..'95.. Dalton was about 35,000.""
That guy is wrong. It is not his town being invaded, it is his country
"There are eight volunteers in our group, from as far away as Boston and Washington , DC . Our mission is to patrol this stretch of roadway, keeping an eye on two washes and a field. It doesn't take long to find what the Minutemen are looking for. On volunteer says, "(So what do we have?) They're sleeping under the bridge. I just called the Border Patrol - they're sending a guy out.""
And thats a Glorious Victory!
"The Georgia couple has spotted a group of suspected illegal immigrants. One man says, "The lady here.. she took off like a herd of elephants." Unfamiliar with the terrain and the situation, the lady from Georgia tripped and fell, splitting her chin."
So what? That happens all the time in the wilderness and in the cities. Whats the point?
"Marc says, "One of them just ran up the wash and there's possibly four more." Across the highway, more Minutemen show up with video cameras, eager to catch a real apprehension on tape. After 10 minutes, Border Patrol agents arrive and take five illegal immigrants into custody. The Minutemen here follow their instructions - keeping their distance - and observing, as the agents do their jobs. It's a relief for my producer and myself, given the fact - everyone in our group - except us - is armed with handguns. "
Another victory.
"But as the sun goes down, problems keeping control of a group as big as the Minutemen begin to surface. Marc says, "There was a standoff and people got killed." The man from Tucson is asked to leave our group - because he keeps talking to reporters. John says, "People like that, they'll drag down, they'll drag down the whole thing." And as the night goes on, a drama unfolds across the highway. Some of the volunteers are carrying shotguns, which is against the rules and our group leader admits: Minuteman organizers are having trouble deciding what to do about it. Adahm/John says, "(What's up with the shotgun guys? How are you going to deal with those two?) I have no idea.. that's out of my.. I don't even want to go up there." Adahm/John says, "(Well don't they have a guy like you are with us? Don't they have their?) He's not there. I can't find him." The man says, "I hope they're not drinking or anything. I didn't see any beer there." "
Honestly, there is nothing wrong with shooting tresspassers. Its politically correct not to allow this since the courts (who show contemt for themselves too often) will make something up and say it is illegal to kill people threaqtening you. But if they do kill an invader, its up to them to sort it out in a kangaroo court. Thats why we charge people with capital crimes, not groups.
"That was the end of our mission. We were done. The next day, project organizer Jim Gilchrist - confronted with the shotgun story - re-gained his tight control over the information going out. Gilchrist says, "That report was followed up.. we did trace those people down. They are not Minuteman project.. they are not Minuteman project volunteers. They are rogue patrollers posing as Minuteman volunteers." "
Hell, they could of been ACLU-paid agitators.
ANyway, this report of yours proves that the project is slowing the invasion.
Thank you.
Pendejo del Toro!
by Disgusted
Wednesday, Apr. 13, 2005 at 4:26 AM
"Honestly, there is nothing wrong with shooting tresspassers."
Cerebros de mierda strikes again!
Try shooting somebody for trespassing, you fucking moron! You will be locked up for the rest of your life, and rightly so.
Arizona law allows you to use the minimum amount of force you reasonably believe is immediately necessary to PREVENT OR STOP eight different crimes. They are:
1. Murder
2. Burglary of a home or burglary by a person who is armed
3. Sexual assault (including rape)
4. Armed robbery
5. Kidnapping
6. Child molesting
7. Arson of an occupied structure
8. Assault involving deadly force.
You will note that neither trespassing nor illegal immigration is on the list.
PS, your denials aside, you are a dumbass racist. Do the world a favor and terminate your existence immediately!