FBI wanted posters up in Tucson for a "Daniel Andreas San Diego" : AZ IMC

The FBI has approached several stores and non-profit organizations frequented by activists in Tucson, AZ asking to hang up a wanted poster for "Daniel Andreas San Diego, aka Andreas San Diego." The poster has four close-up facial photos and detail sketches of several tattoos.

Details on the poster read: Daniel Andreas San Deigo is wanted for his alleged involvement in the bombings of two corporate officies in California. On August 28, 2003, the Chiron Corporation, located in Emeryville, was bombed twice. Then on September 26, 2003, the Shaklee Corporation, located in Pleasanton, was bombed once. A federal arrest warrant was issued in the Northern District of California on October 5, 2003, charging San Diego with maliciously damaging and destroying, and attempting to damange and destroy, by means of explosives, buildings and other property. The FBI is offering a reward of $250,000 for information leading directly to the arrest of Daniel Andreas San Diego. He should be considered armed and dangerous."

This is the second article posted on this IMC today which posts information soliciting snitches on activists for a fee (in this case $250,000.00). Is this the new purpose of IMCs? To advertise for the FBI?

Here's the other article on this newswire:
http://arizona.indymedia.org/news/2006/02/36863.php

Oops...guess The Collective let this one slip through. They're probably too busy censoring postings that critcize AZ IMC. First things first!!

I think the intent of the posting was probably more to warn people that the FBI is in our communities hunting for people and that certain local stores and establishments are willingly collaborating with them.

If you believe that someone who is willing to sell out a friend for an FBI reward would have no other way to become aware of such rewards than this site is to say that you believe in the hopeless strategy of security through obscurity. And I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you.

if people would stop complaining and become part of the AZIMC collective maybe you could grasp why things are done and for what reason. instead of just speculating and posting asinine comments you could actually DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. its call grass roots media for a reason... also this is actually very newsworthy as many people in tucson have been approached by the FBI, and have been given these "want ads." i for one was happy to know that this was not an isolated incident and that it is going on all over.

So, are you saying you wish people would just stop criticizing AZ IMC and trust you...just like George Bush? That you'd rather not be held publicly accountable for the decisions you make and the stuff that gets posted? Hell, yes, there's plenty of asinine stuff that ends up on IMC, but for better or worse, that's kind of inevitable, given the way IMC's set up.

As for criticism...that just comes with the "job." If you don't like it, or don't want to deal with it...then you shouldn't be involved in public journalism.

Not everyone has the time or opportunity to join the Collective. Isn't that why we have IMC and "open" publishing?

And maybe if you Collectivites were more open in discussing why you do wwhat you do, the rest of us rabble wouldn't need to spend so much time "speculating."

You people are way more inacessible than the most mainstream daily corporate newspapers....

Tell me I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that if a person doesn't fit a certain anarcho-subcultural profile, they're not to going to feel very weecome in the AZ IMC collective. How diverse is The Collective -- ethnic background, gender...age???

the two previous comments:
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"and maybe
by et tu Friday February 24, 2006 at 06:32 PM

And maybe if you Collectivites were more open in discussing why you do wwhat you do, the rest of us rabble wouldn't need to spend so much time "speculating."

You people are way more inacessible than the most mainstream daily corporate newspapers....

add your comments

collective profiling?
by transparency advocate Friday February 24, 2006 at 06:39 PM

Tell me I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that if a person doesn't fit a certain anarcho-subcultural profile, they're not to going to feel very weecome in the AZ IMC collective. How diverse is The Collective -- ethnic background, gender...age???

add your comments"
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Are saying the same thing I've been saying for YEARS !!!!
It takes maturity to be responsible to handle such a role. They don't have it,since they don't pass #1,mature communication skills. What what you expect from Arizona?

What a surprise -- no *public* response from anyone in the AZ IMC Collective. Hunkering down only makes you look bad.

I'll step up and say something, as a collective member, but not speaking for the entire collective.

First of all, I don't mind criticism, and I think we're open to criticism. But the criticism seemed to misunderstand a basic thing about IMCs: open publishing means anyone can post. This original posting, by someone who called themselves "watching in Tucson," was not neccesarily a member of the collective. it could have been anyone.
The first commenter seemed to think the post shouldn't have been allowed. However, I agree wtih "tipping point" about the true usefulness of the post. Others in the editorial collective seem to feel the same. Then we have "winston smith" who is being saracastic and implying that the IMC regularly censors stuff, which I don't believe is true, or that this post should have been censored, which i definitely disagree with, for the same reasons others have stated above.

I disagree with the idea that you can't complain or that everyone should just join the collective "and then you'd understand." I don't know if the person who made that comment was another collective member or not, but in any case they appear to have spoken hastily. I agree that not everyone has the time to be involved with the collective. Nor is it neccesary. Since there is open publishing, anyone can contribute by writing stories or contributing photos, etc. Ideally the editorial collective is just a group of caretakers for the content provided by the community. But we're not there yet because the community isn't submitting very much original, substantial reporting.

As for the comment about anarcho-subculture - if you have specific experiences where you felt uncomfortable trying to get involved, I'd like to hear about it. But if you're just guessing, then the critique isn't very useful. I think we might be more welcoming than you expect, if you're truly showing up to be productive and not to be disruptive.

Again, I for one think criticism is healthy, and I thank you for your comments.

Thank you, volunteer #9, for stepping up and addressing some of the issues raised by previous posters.

I also agree that the original article posted here should not be censored and was not soliciting snitches.

You raise a good point about the continuing lack of substantive local reporting and analysis. In your opinion -- why is that so? For example, take last weekend's local to global teach-in. Presumably, several hundred people attended and yet not one single individual has posted a report about what they saw and did there. Why? Is this a comment on the lack of reporters, or about the relevancy and effectiveness of the event itself? Or both? Neither?

It would be good, I think to have a regular dialogue about AZ IMC -- what works, what doesn't, and why.

Here's the City of San Diego Memorandum of understanding with the FBI that was investigated by a professor at Maxwell School of Citzenship and Public Affairs.

During L2GJ teach-ins in 2005 and 2004, I approached the AZ IMC people who were tabling there and attempted to engage them in a conversation about IMC, indy reporters, media reform and such. They weren't rude, but definitely gave ma back a "we're not much interested in talking to you" vibe. I'm definitely past 30, so had a feeling that might have played into their apparent lack of interest. A disappointing experience, both times.

You say:
"but definitely gave ma back a "we're not much interested in talking to you" vibe. I'm definitely past 30, so had a feeling that might have played into their apparent lack of interest."

Well,welcome to the Club,because your's truely is over the hill at 50 and have always had similiar attitude directed to me.

How about setting up a mature acting Phoenix.Indymedia.org?

I think most of these comments are just flame bait, if you want more articles about something, then write them? If you want a writers group in phoenix? Form one.

The IM machine is a big beast, an if you don't have a burning desire to manage networked computers, write software, worry about bandwidth, and such, then a new IM site probably isn't for you.

The best way to start is to get your group writing five to 20 PHX articles a month for 5 months, before you concider laying the weight of maintaining a whole site on your shoulders.

Just my 2¢

Will --

That's your experience with IMC. I described my own, which you did not address. As far as I could tell, the AZ IMC people I spoke were in their 20's. And I was speculating about *why* they seemed not-so-friendly. Could have been my age, could have been how I dressed. Or both things. My point was to address the point raised about whether those who don't fit the anarcho-subcultural "mold" will feel comfortable in AZ IMC.

I'm not affiliated with the guy suggesting a "more mature" phoenix IMC. Maturity doesn't necessarily have anything to do with age. However, I have seen age-ism -- both against young and old -- rear its head in the Phoenix activist scene.

I also get a whiff of condescension in Will's reply, something refreshingly lacking in Volunteer #8's response. It's too bad you dismiss most of the comments as "flame bait."

He blithely states "write your own" if more articles are wanted, without addressing the issues raised about *why* more articles aren't written. As in joining a collective, not everyone has the time or opportunity to write articles, for a wide variety of reasons.

Just *my* 2 cents...

Hasn't anybody noticed that Volunteer #1,#2,#3,#4,#5,#6,#7,# 8 hide their I.D.? What are you hiding? Maybe they are the true N.S.A. spies,and doesn't do anything about the Virus/Worm causing links to still stay on AZIMC to ruin peoples computers.

AZIMC need to hire computer/internet experts like the Data Doctors to fix AZIMC.

The more i think about all the accomplishments of your generation, the TRUE 'greatest generation'; the boomers- the more i wonder why there is no statue commemorating your triumphs?
Think of it; a statue of a hippie and his "old lady" (that's what the boomers called their girl-friends back then), love beads around their necks, flowers in their long hair that's held by leather head bands, granny glasses on both, paisley shirt for him- tiedye for her, fringed leather jackets for both, bare feet below super-wide bell-bottoms and both giving the 'peace' sign! The statue would be 69 feet high (of course), face San Francisco and the inscription would read simply: "GROOVY"
The Capitol Mall in Washington, D.C. is a fitting place.
Not that my generation really NEEDS a statue like that- humankind will never forget your words and deeds which so irrevocably changed the world, deeds like inventing sex, drugs and rock 'n roll; Feminism, Civil Rights and GLBTQ liberation; words like "Tune in, turn on, drop out" and "never trust anyone over thirty".
Not content to rest on their laurels; the boomers even now are expanding the boundaries of creamed corn, adult diapers and Viagra!
It's to our boomer forebearers we owe our present civilization and culture, to which i say:
Thank you
Thank you
Thank you

The guy on the right is really KB,decades ago when he was a youngster!

To "the NON N.S.A.":
just how would you propose that someone prove when they post something that they are who they say they are (even if they use their "real" name), or that they are really a member of the editorial collective? Perhaps you require a holy sign, like the site going dark for 5 minutes to prove that I'm a member of the pantheon? Sorry, but don't hold your breath. ;-)

About Age-ism: the AZ collective ranges right now from early 20s to early 40s. I happen to be in my late 30s. yes, ageism may be something of a problem, as it is in the activist community in general. All we can do is continue to try harder to be more welcoming to all who wish to constructively participate in the IMC, and in whatever other causes and projects we all work on.

This is all sort of a chicken-or-the-egg thing. Which came first, lack of community participation, or perceived lack of responsiveness from the collective? or percieved lack of inclusiveness? Or perceived unrealistic demands from the community? It's all interrelated. Remember too that people come and go, attitudes change, and policies do too. So it's very complicated, and dynamic.

Nah...I think kb's the one on the left.

I didn't call my girlfriend my "old lady" back in the 60's -- I called her Cosmic Mountain Girl. Ommmmmm.

I think that "old lady" is what kb calls his girlfriend *now.* In the AARP sense...

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