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Blowing Off the PR Pixie Dust While Waiting for Petraeus
Posted July 30, 2007 | 06:06 PM (EST)

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The White House is giving Gen. David Petraeus the most over-the-top PR push since the Segway's inventor predicted, "It's going to change the world."

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The constant sprinkling of pixie dust is meant to render Petraeus' coming September report unassailable -- the political equivalent of basketball advice from John Wooden or a sex assessment by Jenna Jameson.

For months now, I've been trying to blow some of that pixie dust off Petraeus so that, come September, his vaunted report will be seen for what it inevitably will be: one more stall tactic designed to deny reality and delay the inevitable.

Does anyone doubt that when Mr. Petraeus Goes to Washington after Labor Day he will deliver a glass half-full assessment that "acknowledges some challenges" but concludes that "the surge is working" (don't forget those soccer fields!) and "just needs more time"?

Indeed, we already know Petraeus' thinking on the matter. The New York Times recently uncovered a classified plan that calls for U.S. troops to be in Iraq at least until the middle of 2009, and probably beyond. The co-author of that plan: Gen. David Petraeus.

Despite the White House's attempts at glorification -- by the Washington Post's count, the president has publicly mentioned Petraeus' name over 150 times since announcing the surge in January -- others in the media have recently joined the chorus of voices warning, Don't believe the hype!

In his latest column, Frank Rich took a chisel to the notion that Petraeus is the second coming of Grant, Patton, MacArthur, and Schwarzkopf all rolled into one Ivy League package.

Turns out that Petraeus' purported infallibility is as much a shimmering desert mirage as the Iraqi throngs who were going to greet us as liberators, throwing flowers at our soldiers' feet.

Rich lays it out chapter and verse: Petraeus was wrong about Mosul, he was wrong about the competency of newly-trained Iraqi troops, he was wrong about what he wishfully referred to as "the astonishing signs of normalcy" in Baghdad.

And he has also shown a special gift for thunderingly misguided comparisons, likening the political standoff in the Iraqi Parliament to disputes among our Founding Fathers, and straining to make the case that the civil war raging in Iraq is akin to the struggles Britain faced with the IRA in Northern Ireland. There are many problems with this last comparison, not the least of which is the fact that the IRA was never more than a thousand strong, and never embraced suicide bombing.

In April, I wondered whether, given all the hype, the General had "walked across the Potomac" on a recent visit to Capitol Hill. James Fallows has taken the metaphor another step, pointing out last week that Petraeus is Bush's New Jesus:

The New Jesus is the guy the boss has just brought in to solve the problems that the slackers and idiots already on the staff cannot handle. Of course sooner or later the New Jesus himself turns into a slacker or idiot, and the search for the next Jesus begins.
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Petraeus is a serious man, but the expectations being heaped on him are simply laughable...

But for now, according to the White House script, Petraeus is The One Who is Going to Save Iraq.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki apparently has a different name for him: The One Who Must Leave Iraq. According to reports over the weekend, Maliki made a direct appeal to President Bush to remove Petraeus from his position.

Part of the Prime Minister's displeasure with Petraeus is the General's strategy of arming Sunni militias -- including forces that were at one time part of the insurgency. Though Bush was able to temporarily placate al-Maliki -- word is that during a satellite chat he told the PM to "calm down" -- it's unclear when al-Maliki will grow tired enough of Petraeus to remind Bush about that "transfer of full sovereignty" stuff from 2004. ("Hey, Mr. President... 'Let Freedom Reign,' remember?")

In the meantime, Bush continues to pretend to be taking a hands-off approach to Iraq, claiming: "I'm going to wait to see what David has to say." But, as we've seen, Bush cherry-picks the military commanders he listens to just as diligently as he cherry-picked pre-war intel.

The same administration that didn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia before the war -- and doesn't know the difference between Al Qaeda and Al Qaeda in Iraq now -- has somehow been incredibly effective at weeding out "insurgent" thought in the Pentagon. The "clear, hold and build" strategy wasn't so successful in Baghdad, but it's been a smashing success in Washington.

The question isn't what will happen in September. The question is what will happen when the New Jesus eventually proves to be just as powerless to change the laws of reality as his predecessors were.

With the past as prologue, my guess is that Bush will ultimately announce a major change in course. Sadly, this will not entail a new war policy, but rather the arrival of a new New Jesus.

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tomcat27834 ( See profile | I'm a fan of tomcat27834)
"THE SAME ADMINISTRATION THAT DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SUNNI AND SHIA" prior to the invasion. This is documented by Iraqi descendants that met with George W. Bush prior to the invasion...Bush didn't have a clue of the history of Iraq and no motivation to ask questions and learn...tragically, the rest his history. The invasion and occupation of Iraq by U.S will go down in history as the most "uninformed" strategic military blunder by a Commander in Chief. IMPEACHMENT should be on the table ! JAN. 20, 2009....HANG IN THERE AMERICA !!
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sd55 ( See profile | I'm a fan of sd55)
let's hear you rant if your kid was over there serving W's staged war
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Rescisco ( See profile | I'm a fan of Rescisco)
"The lack of a sense of history is the damnation of the modern world. " -Robert Penn Warren-
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researcher ( See profile | I'm a fan of researcher)
"A nation that spends more year after year on military offense (and I mean offense) than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death". (Gunnels)

we americans cannot see our spiritual death but the rest of the modern world has no doubt about our spiritual death.
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ArmanRisk ( See profile | I'm a fan of ArmanRisk)
Too much non seq thinking in this article. So what is the "new" point to this. What is the great plan to come? Like it or not 16 months from now troops will still be in Iraq. In fact 36 months from now they will still be there. You can bet your hat on that. C'mon bots let's hear your rants.
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mario409 ( See profile | I'm a fan of mario409)
Arman,
Ever hear of a famous U.S. President called Ronald Reagan? Yeah see he was able to recognize back in the 80's that continuing a war inside Civil War torn Lebanon after 250 of our soldiers were killed would of been a mistake. You see he felt that using our resources (Men/Women/Money) would of been better spent fighting the Soviets. I'm sure if you have heard of Ronald, you think he was the one and only who ended the cold war. Do me a favor update Lebanon to Iraq, and Beating the soviets to beating Al Queda and see what you come up with for Bush. Any questions, read Reagan's Memoirs.
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researcher ( See profile | I'm a fan of researcher)
Famous US president Ronald Reagan. His policies were the beginning of the end for capitalism, as we know it in America.

Ending the cold war: the person that had the biggest impact on ending the cold war was the Soviet Union premier Gorbachev. We Americans being an egotistical nation that we are took the credit for Gorbachev's desire to move towards a German style socialist country. How many Americans read his book?

That wall was coming down with or without Reagan. Communism was a disaster like American style capitalism is becoming.

We clapped and applauded at communism's demise in Russia without realizing we were next. Karma can be very harsh but it is a perfect feedback system. It keeps happening until one learns the lesson as we failed to learn from Vietnam.

Communism and capitalism are destined to fail their ideologies are flawed. Reagan's pure capitalism policies just brought a quicker end to our brand of capitalism.

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muliebrity ( See profile | I'm a fan of muliebrity)
Arianna, as usual- spot on! No matter what Petraeus says, it will translate: "we're not going anywhere, anytime soon". Why can't the Republicans see this?? I can only hope that in September enough Republicans will FINALLY see that the Emperor Has No Clothes!!!
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RED NYC ( See profile | I'm a fan of RED NYC)
your right, were not going anywhere. reps see this. every one does. the difference is, libs wanna go home, call it a day, and chalk it up as a US loss. NO make that ONLY Bush and reps loss. reps and the MAJORITY of the country want to win.
Whats a "win"?
Glad you asked.
A win is when Iraq is stable. When will this happen? Evetually. I wish I had a time and date, but I dont. No one does.
There are US troops in Germany, Japan, and just about every other counrty on Earth. They will be in Iraq for a very long time. When will Iraq finally be stable is the question.
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thesimulacra ( See profile | I'm a fan of thesimulacra)
Your understanding is clearly flawed. There is (among many smaller) one major difference between the rebuilding of Iraq and the rebuilding of Germany and Japan - the people WANTED the us to be there. In both cases, the U.S. went in well-informed about the cultures they were dealing with, and showed respect and tact. There's actually an entire book out that is filled with letters of praise from Japanese citizens to General Macarthur.

So next time you try to draw connections where there are none, do your research.
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snowball's chance in hell (See profile | I'm a fan of snowball's chance in hell )
But who is that a "win" for? I still don't get it. Why do I as a person living in America care whether Iraq is stable or not? WHO made that our issue? And what do THEY hope to gain? That's where the real answer lies.....why build the biggest American Embassy in the world there in Iraq? To stabilize the country? I think not. But they are not sharing their secrets.....they are just using the treasure and wealth of this country to do whatever it is they are doing. And you know what question comes next.....who are they?
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thirteen13 ( See profile | I'm a fan of thirteen13)
They are ME THE PEOPLE, THE RICH AND POWERFUL!

Those elected official fear mongers like Chaney-Bush who would do anything to avoid the draft and stay out of the war in Vietnam.

We the People have been deceived. Fact is,
Chaney-Bush invaded a country that we knew could not defend itself. That is an act of cowardace because Iraq's dangers were fabricated by Chaney-Bush.

What we should be doing is activate the draft.
Our current use of a volunteer military is ripe for abuse. If we had the draft starting
on 09/12/01, I believe there would be no war in Iraq. If there is a war in Iraq at least the military would be stronger with a draft.

I know the word draft sends chills up our spines. We now have private corporations sucking up our Nations wealth which is going
to affect our future well being.

So fire up that SUV, but please don't worry,
ME THE PEOPLE, THE RICH AND POWERFUL WON'T DAMAGE THOSE ARAB OIL FIELDS.
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oldvet ( See profile | I'm a fan of oldvet)
A loss is when we remain in Iraq indefinitely, which is what you are calling for. It results in a number of things, all bad for the US and Iraq:
- Our focus remains locked onto a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and is no threat to the US
- We continue to neglect Afghanistan/Pakistan where Osama Bin Laden, who we could and should have killed/captured in 2003, remains live and well and planning further attacks on the US
- Bin Laden recruitment of terrorists is facilitated by our occupation of a Moslem country
- Our massive commitment of men, equipment and funds to Iraq, weakens our ability to defend our country

Yes, US troops are in Germany, Korea and Japan. I served in the former two countries. I recall that unlike Iraq, there were no wars there during the Cold War and we were asked to station our troops there to prevent external aggressors.

I also served in Vietnam twice during that country's civil war where a number of my friends lost their lives and where I learned that the US should never place its troops in the middle of a civil war. Apparently our "dear leader", who participated in the civil war by patrolling the dangerous skies over Texas, did not learn this lesson.

We need to initiate diplomatic negotiations between Iraq's neighbors, including Iran and Syria, to bring about regional peace and stability. It is in everyones' interest.

War never solved a thing. It should be a last resort, instead of a first resort. And never initiated by a group of amateurs, such as the criminally hapless Bush neocon gang who disdain the advice of military professionals. They alone are responsible for the endless death and mayhem that is taking place daily in Iraq.
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Rescisco ( See profile | I'm a fan of Rescisco)
Well said. All of this reminds me of Cicero's wise words. "Weapons are of little use on the field of battle if there is no wise counsel at home."
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Mack20 ( See profile | I'm a fan of Mack20)
Ok old vet. I appreciate your service, but your dead wrong. Your either a lost soul like Congrssman Murtha or a fraud.
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Singha ( See profile | I'm a fan of Singha)
Republicans will FINALLY see that the Emperor Has No Clothes!!!

AND repubs can all say what everyone else already knows, "We now see your NUTS!"
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researcher ( See profile | I'm a fan of researcher)
why do we keep asking why the repubs dont see this or that.

they have an ideology of pure capitalism that is designed to max profits for the few.

it is about profits not people. 50 million without health care says it all. these are not rational moral people these are greed is good imperialists. and they use religion to promote their greed.

wake up the oil reserves in iraq for a capitalist is like sugar candy to a two year old.

this war is big bucks for those few.

follow the money and you will find why they favor this war going on and on and on and
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VitriolAndAngst ( See profile | I'm a fan of VitriolAndAngst)
What is it going to be this time?

Let's wait until the inspectors can finish their task...
...became...
We can't wait to let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud...
...became...
Let the UN decide and we will go by their recommendation...
...became...
Who cares what the UN thinks, Saddam is breaking a UN SANCTION (of course, forget all the other times we say; "who care's what the UN thinks*")
*[pot smoking hippy reference is silent]
...became...
We must hurry before the 9/11 Terrorists attack America again and reconstitute their WMD program...
...became...
Let the President win the peace...
...became...
Let the surge work...
...became...
Let Petrayus (the "B" is silent) make his report...
...
...will become...
Let's have time to study the report...
...will become...
Let the committee be formed to decide on the reports conclusions...
...will become...
Give the committee's recommendations of changes time to work...
...will become...
...oh, we can go home now, no more Oil to guard.
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DefendOurConstitution ( See profile | I'm a fan of DefendOurConstitution)
will become ...

... the Democrats lost Iraq ...
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VitriolAndAngst ( See profile | I'm a fan of VitriolAndAngst)
...dang, I completely forgot.

Yeah, the Great Depression was resolved by FDR, but the Republicans had the debt bills fall on Jimmy Carter. What did I know about 30 year Zero Coupon bonds when people were telling me about Jimmy Carter's horrible economy (though at that time, Presiden'ts were supposed to be just involved in foreign affairs).

I'm also thinking, that if the Dems are in charge for 2 weeks, that any and all NEW collapses of the economy will be due to increased spending on minimum wage -- never mind the loss of manufacturing and that all that money gets spent locally.

*sigh*, I suppose, if they took responsibility, we wouldn't have problems with MOST crooks.
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JHD ( See profile | I'm a fan of JHD)
Bush lost the war in Iraq the day he invaded. Read the latest National Intelligence Estimate if you can. There is still time to enlist! Darwin is calling you!

will become

...the Republicans lost our Constitution...
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GodBlesstheGrass ( See profile | I'm a fan of GodBlesstheGrass)
Arianna is absolutely right! Shouldn't there be some requirement that this new "Jesus" have been right at least one more time than he's been wrong? Is it possible Bush's wordsmithers picked General Petraeus just because his name RHYMES with Jesus? But they failed to note that it also rhymes with BetrayUs?
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petulantgemini ( See profile | I'm a fan of petulantgemini)
Arianna,

The only problem with your incredible posts (that I totally support) is that they die here on your site. I just wish that your message reached further and actually had an impact. You truly speak for me but the mainstraem BS media doesn't seem to reflect your impact. One can only hope.

Rob
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VitriolAndAngst ( See profile | I'm a fan of VitriolAndAngst)
Arianna,

Thank you for blowing off that Pixie Dust. I must say, there is too much glitter in hollywood, causing pollution in Washington -- kind of like smog, but with more pizzaz.

I can already point to a very important bit of improvement in Iraq even though I haven't been there.
Iraq is leading the Developed world in conservation and committing to Kyoto agreements. Already, they've decreased their electricity consumption in Baghdad from 5 hours per day, to 1 hour per day. Wisely, the Bush administration will no longer sample this data -- as that will probably use too much electricity.

Further, 70% of Iraqis have chosen to forgo their usual "surge on water" -- mainly because the pipes just drip now -- but hey, that's Liberal talk. Accentuate the positives. Iraq not only conserves water, they have 1800% more air in their plumbing than any other Developed nation (though now they don't fit that category anymore).

Iraqis now have 100% more spare time. Of course, it may be it is concentrated on the 50% unemployed who used to have jobs before "Shock and Awe" (Liberty Day for those of you who get the corrected history).

I can also say, that Iraq is such a great place, that thousands of Saudis are voluntarily moving there. In the near future, they may also move there with $30 Billion in US Weapons -- but hey, the future is already bright -- who needs incendiaries? And of course, who doesn't need them? They add cheer to any celebration or IED.

Iraq is leading the world in Doctors experienced with amputation and minimizing the waste in latex gloves -- take that all you Commies watching Michael Moore movies.
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increasinglyjaded ( See profile | I'm a fan of increasinglyjaded)
So what does that mean, "astonishing signs of normalcy"? It seems to me that "normal" in Baghdad is two hours of electricity a day, no public water, curfews at all hours, and vehicles blowing up at any place where local citizens congregate. So maybe Petraeus was telling it like he really sees it...
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RED NYC ( See profile | I'm a fan of RED NYC)
link to 2 hours a day of electricity in Bagdhad please? Or was that just a convineint lie for you to spew?
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thesimulacra ( See profile | I'm a fan of thesimulacra)
Ask and ye shall receive:

http://www.brookings.edu/iraqindex
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VitriolAndAngst ( See profile | I'm a fan of VitriolAndAngst)
Please link to all the Liberal lies that get spewed, or were you just trolling in case nobody could find a link?
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IronDragon ( See profile | I'm a fan of IronDragon)
The Baiter-and-Switcher-in-Chief strikes again. Bush never takes responsibility for any of his stupid mistakes. Give this one to Petraeus. You are really hot s**t when you can appoint the New Jesus when you need to avoid responsibility and/or accountability for what you do.
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I've said how vastly overrated Gen. David Petraeus is for months. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. A major part of his resume the Bush administration points to repeatedly is he was in charge of training Iraqi security forces. Great job there, Davey!
One thing going on in Iraq that Ms. Huffington and others haven't commented on is the Brits are leaving, have been for months. No big deal, no deadline announced, no date certain, they just started re-deploying out of there. America's idiot war supporters have screamed for years that setting a date for re-deploying American troops out of Iraq is out of the question, no way. Which means, of course, we can never leave. That kind of idiotic thinking hasn't gripped the Brits, and we should follow their lead. Declare victory, start re-deploying our troops, finally take Mr. al-Maliki at his word: coalition forces can leave any time they want.
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VitriolAndAngst ( See profile | I'm a fan of VitriolAndAngst)
Wow, Gen. David Petraeus trained the insurgency!

He really did a good job on that. Who could have known that training a military while abusing a country with NeoCon ideas of reform would cause them to use it against us?

No one could have predicted that. Nor could anyone predict that Petraeus will come back carrying Bush's water and saying everything is normalized and we must wait for "X" -- whatever X is due to News Headline "Y" at the time.

"Nobody could have predicted the stall."
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"Waiting for Godot" by Samuel Beckett

Theater of the Absurd: Characters often engage in seemingly meaningless dialog or activities, and, as a result the audience senses what it is like to live in a universe that doesn't make sense.. Beckett felt that this disoriented feeling was a more honest response to a "post World War II world" than the traditional belief in a rationally ordered universe.

Beckett anticipated BushWorld by some sixty years! Living in a post 9-11 world is a topsy-turvy world where up is down and down is up, said the Queen.

Estragon:

"Looks to me like a bush."

Vladimir:

"A shrub?"

Estragon:

"A bush."

The two men wait for "Godot," a Freudian slip by Beckett for God.

We wait for Petraeus to help the decider decide.
He will give us a snapshot, but it will not really be decisive in the decision that the decider makes.

The "Evangelicals," according to Beckett's charcters in the play, ask why a thief was spared while Jesus was crucified. Good question. What are we waiting for?

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I would suggest before taking Frank Rich's "words of wisdom" - "gifted" Broadway critic that he might have been - one should consider what two actual experts on Iraq wrote in today's NY Times. Michael E. O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and Kenneth M. Pollack, the director of research at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings wrote "Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily "victory" but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with." Contrary to Ms. Huffington's belief, General Petraeus is no PR phenomenon - he is a brilliant career soldier who was the General George C. Marshall Award winner as the top graduate of the U.S. Army Command and General Staff College. He holds a Master of Public Administration (1985) and a Ph.D. (1987) in International Relations from the Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs at Princeton University.
Ms. Huffington may find the acerbic wit of ""the Butcher of Broadway" delightful but I prefer to listen to experts who trust in the qualities that General Petraeus has exhibited throughout his career.
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Michael E. O'Hanlon, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution and Kenneth M. Pollack, the director of research at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings wrote "Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily "victory" but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with."

Don't let those guys fool you. They call themselves "harsh critics" of the Bush Administration, yet they are anything but.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/

Scroll down a bit under the video, and you'll see endless quotes from these two urging the invasion of Iraq, fear-mongering with Bush's claims that Saddam was seeking to rebuild his nuclear program, and cheerleading the idea of the surge.
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The only way to make sense of the op-ed entitled "A War We Just Might Win" by O'Hanlon and Pollack in Today's NY Times is as a think-tank softball for Petraeus to knock out of the park. It defines success not by how our presence in Iraq helps or hurts our efforts against terrorism, but by such extraordinary achievements as being able to walk down a street in Iraq without getting blown up.
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VitriolAndAngst ( See profile | I'm a fan of VitriolAndAngst)
Yes, we have wonderful Experts here on TV all the time.

I prefer to watch the cartoons, however, since they have a better track record.

Petraeus WAS a credible person... but it would be the first time in Bush's life that he hired someone for wisdom over loyalty.

I'll stand by Arianna's NON-EXPERT prediction because she has a better track record for being right.
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nippersdad ( See profile | I'm a fan of nippersdad)
And yet these diehard critics are parroting the Whitehouses brand new talking points, again...hmmm.
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Gen Petraeus was on the cover of Newsweek in Aug 2004. The title was "Can this man save Iraq?" Since the whole training the Iraqi Army to stand up so we can stand down blew up in our face we have a new strategy. Now Gen Petraeus will have US troops provide the Security. But with 500,000 less than the good general would say we need from his own counter-insurgency book. So Ex-pat, it looks like this man already had his chance and it led to the Civil War between sunni and Shia. I need to get in a line of work like this where no one is held accountable and everyone forgets that they have been predicting the turning of the corner every 6 months for 4 years.
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Truly Sad.
Are we really past the point where an administration can't admit it's own mistakes?
I wasn't born, but I recall seeing footage of JFK admitting mistakes were made during the Bay Of Pigs invasion. That didn't tarnish his "Legacy" too much, in fact might have helped it. Too bad Bush can't look at those old "Reels".
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If I were Jesus I'd be really pissed.

All these people who know nothing about him or his teachings invoking his name. Not as yet returned in over 2000 years and already apointing a new one are we.

Boy oh boy...and all these people lined up to ascend with him when the Middle East is destroyed and we go up in flames all over and they go up in the Rapture. Paying good money to just hope it ends the way Revelations predicted it would and they can screw up heaven just like they screwed things up down here.

The general isn't a saviour, he's the guy who will take the fall in the Fall. We'll have to stay in Iraq; it'll be Petraeus' fault.

Just like everything is the liberal press' fault, the liberals fault, Bill Clinton's fault, the non-believers' fault and just about everyone else's fault but the DWI's fault. DWI = deciding while idiot.

No wonder Jesus is staying clear; who'd want to be here with all these nut cases who try to speak for him?

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Democrat - glass half empty

Republican - glass half full

Realist - OOPS! The glass is completely broken!

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Hah. We need to expand on this...

NeoCon - the glass is twice the size it needed to be, exceeding all expectations.

Progressive - I don't get this... what does a glass and water have to discussing Middle East policy and why isn't Bush impeached yet?
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That huge, billion-dollar glass proves progress, but the MSM doesn't report it. Instead, they just report that suicide bombers keep blowing up the glasses, which is supporting the terrorists. We need more troops and more glasses to prove we are winning. If the glasses are no longer half full, we will quit reoporting it. But we can say our gut feel is we have more glasses and they are as full as ever. The surge is working. Yawn.
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The Constitution gives Congress the power to declare war. The 107th Congress outsourced that job to the 43rd President. The 43rd President now wants to subcontract the job to his latest favorite general.

I didn't sign up for this kind of crap. Anyone who comes from a country that was once governed by a military junta (which took power because the politicians could agree on nothing except the importance of "funding the troops") looks at this Petraeus-as-New-Jesus business with contempt and foreboding.

If you have a Senator or Congressman who sits on the Armed Services or Foreign Affairs Committees, now is the time to call them up and tell them this: make Petraeus acknowledge up front that it's not his job to tell the nation what his "mission" should be; make him acknowledge that as an officer under civilian control he will "support the mission" even if the mission he's assigned is to start withdrawing; and make him acknowledge that he has no authority to attack Iran unless Congress declares war on Iran. Repeat the call right after Labor Day -- politicians have short memories.

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We all know that Petraeus wouldn't have his current position if his lips weren't brown after visiting the White House. Only the brain dead expect anything other than sock puppetry from this guy.
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I was talking to a sock puppet yesterday, and he said Petraeus was the Shiznit!

Word.
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Why don't you libs just admit you want us to lose this war?
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I'm an academic, and this reminds me of a former dean. He'd say, "This is a very serious matter, and I'm not going to make the decision myself. Rather, I will follow the recommendations of a faculty committee." And then he would appoint to the committee only those he knew agreed with his position and would tell him what he wanted to hear." Bush had to run through a lot of general officers before he got that down right, but he seems finally to be there.
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It makes total sense Scarabus. Petraeus is the perfect foil for "W"- I never read or listened to a word he said/says. I knew, from day one, he was a Bush Toadie. Here the American people spoke in Nov. and W's answer was, "Hey, let's have more war." "I've got a great "new" general and a "new" strategy, called a "Surge." Hey, Mr. Special Education Kid, your "surge " is not a strategy. Just forget it, I am wasting my time trying to teach the unteachable.
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the really sad part is how many american people will buy the feel good surge and even sadder is how many in congress will buy it.

too much oil to leave. even the demos smell oil that promises great wealth for them and their children.

the demos have to put on a show to satisfy their voter base for 2008.

more sad: many americans buy the demos stage show.

listen very closely only a couple of demo canidates want us out of iraq. I think the term is redeploy not get out.

reality check; politicans are a reflection of the majority of the voters in a republic.

the rest of the world looks on in disgust with american warmongering and the torture of others.
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Does this mean you have tenure? If you guys could live in the real world, you may not like it so much. Its rather cruel and insensitive. If you can't perform your out. Welcome to real world Mr. Academia
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To Arianna Huffington:

I think its time you report the truth. Here is more information for you.

This is a letter that you must understand and comprehend is the absolute truth. Come to DC and meet MR. Fisher if you like.

To All Delegates & Prosecutors as well as Media ,

This just in, Chief Justice Roberts has been rushed to the hospital after a near fatal accident at the Docks near his home!!!!!!! The details of the horrifying development, are all below:

" WASHINGTON - Chief Justice John Roberts was taken by ambulance to a hospital on Monday after a fall on a dock near his summer home in Maine.

Supreme Court spokeswoman Kathy Arberg said she did not know how he fell or what injuries he might have suffered. She said he was taken to the hospital as a precaution.

Roberts, 52, bought a home last year in Port Clyde on Maine's Hupper Island. Port Clyde, which is part of the town of St. George, is about 90 miles by car northeast of Portland, midway up the coast of Maine.

The incident occurred around 2 p.m. EDT, said St. George Fire Chief Tim Polky. Roberts was taken by private boat to the mainland and then transferred to an ambulance, Polky said.

"He was conscious and alert when they put him in the rescue (vehicle) and took him to Penobscot Bay Medical Center," Polky said. A spokesman at the Rockport hospital did not immediately return a call from The Associated Press.

Named to the court by President Bush in 2005, Roberts is the youngest justice on a court in which the senior member, John Paul Stevens, is 87. Bush was informed of the hospitalization by his chief of staff, Josh Bolten, the White House said.

Roberts is the father of two young children.

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In the early 1990s, Roberts couldn't drive for several months after he had a sudden fainting episode, said Larry Robbins, a Washington attorney who worked with Roberts at the Justice Department. Robbins said he drove Roberts to work during that time. He said Roberts never mentioned what the problem was and he never heard of it happening again."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_roberts

Chairman Leahy, Chairman Hatch I'll tell you what the problem was. Chief Justice John Roberts was poisoned Chairman, I know it there is no way this was a simple boating accident.

Sir, there's a huge cover-up going on here and it has got to be resolved IMMEDIATELY. I believe Justice Rhenquist was also poisoned, so that he would die early and remove opposition.

We had a dream last night and it was at the docks, someone slipped off and fell nearly killing themselves but it was not their doing. Someone was there to ensure that they fell, intending to have them die & later being handled by poison and that's a fact.

Chairman, we gave Chief Justice Roberts a huge collective of evidence almost all of the evidence against the American Turkish Council & its treason of selling out the United States, intentions to destroy Russia etc. Even to his chief of staff. A Whistle-blower Mr Fisher also delivered a huge packet of evidence in person to the Chief of Staff to Justice Roberts, we believe Justice Roberts took the evidence and uncovered even more of it showing absolute treason by Dick Cheney. We believe he took it to the International Court of Justice for a hearing, so that this man would be tried for treason and all his executive privilege arguments would be shouted down. Justice Roberts agreed this constituted total treason, a world disaster. We believe he uncovered more files hidden in the Supreme Court.

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" Vice President Richard Cheney, Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, ministers of trade Donald Evans and of defence Donald Ramsfeld, and the US co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk Group Rudolph Perina. Also, Mr Aliyev has had talks with the management of the World Bank and the International Finance Corporation, took part in the large conference 'East-West Corridor: Reality' arranged by Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey and US Administration and dedicated to the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan and Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum pipelines, and attended the signing of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court by the Azeri Ambassador to USA Hafiz Pashayev and Deputy Secretary of State for Europe and Eurasia Elisabeth Jones. Pursuant to that agreement, the parties to it agree not to go to the International Criminal Court over crimes committed by Azeri citizens in USA and by US citizens in Azerbaijan.

The agenda of all those meetings was rather extensive and covered the present condition of bilateral relations, the progress in the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan project, the efforts made to resolve the Armenian-Azeri conflict, the possibility of joint counter-terrorism and regional as well as global developments.

"http://www.ice.gov.it/estero2/baku/febbraio03.htm

Cheney & Edelman found out that Justice Roberts knew about their treason, and was going to ensure they were arrested for treason. So Cheney planned an assassination attempt, he co-ordinated nothing less than an assassination attempt on the head of the Supreme Court, Chief Justice Roberts. To carry out the assassination attempt, we believe he deliberately called on Antoin Scalia to do it so that Scalia, an actual traitor to the United States would become Chief of the Supreme Court. Antoin Scalia is guilty of possible sedition against the United States.

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It was Antoin Scalia, who got Cheney elected into office so that John Bolton & the rest of the American Turkish Council, the traitors in Azerbaijan could colonize Eura Asia and create the Eco Secretariat Baku Project, over 40 different pipelines controlled by Azeri & other vile dictators so the Middle East could be enslaved by Rome. We believe he put Bush & others into the office, so they would be enslaved and forced to do everything Cheney said including anything that the ATC wanted in the Middle East....or their families would be killed. They went along with it, we believe it has been this way since day one.

Chairman, Antoin Scalia covered up all of this which you hear in the soundfiles below he is in fact a traitor and has to be arrested.

http://media.switchpod.com/users/lukery/sibelalaunclassifed.mp3 http://www.blip.tv/file/314908

There needs to be a complete investigation all over, of the attempted assassination of Justice Roberts whom we believe found out about Scalia's treason & was targeted. There must be a full Grand Jury investigation almost IMMEDIATELY of all of Antoin Scalia's contributors, all of his lobbyists, all of his trips and who is giving him the money to run his court. The only Justice who disgustingly dissented against regulating the EPA for Global Warming, because he is so foolish that he believes the Pipeline Projects are more important than Global Warming.

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INTERPOL: Start an IMMEDIATE investigation, no excuses of the attempted murder of Justice John Roberts!!!!!!! Prosecutor Woodcock & European Police, begin the FULL investigation of any of Cheney's involvement in trying to kill Chief Justice Roberts, its time to nail this down. FORCE a Grand Jury investigation of Antoin Scalia to begin immediately, we will find out who ALL of his best friends and lobbyists are!!!!! We will find out how long he has been taking the bribes off the American Turkish Council, guaranteed....START IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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TO THE REST OF YOU.......TELL YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TO SIGN ON TO SPONSOR HR 333 IMMEDIATELY, BLAST THEM!! AND SAY IF THEY DON'T SIGN ON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, YOU WILL GET ALL OF THEIR FUNDING CUT OFF- JUST LIKE THAT.
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"Ciò appena dentro, giustizia principale Roberts è stata scorsa veloce all'ospedale dopo un incidente mortale vicino ai bacini vicino alla sua sede!!!!!!! I particolari dello sviluppo sconvolgente, sono tutti qui sotto: "WASHINGTON - la giustizia principale John Roberts è stata presa in ambulanza ad un ospedale il lunedì dopo una caduta su un bacino vicino alla sua estate a casa in Maine. Lo spokeswoman Kathy Arberg della Corte suprema ha detto che non ha conosciuto come è caduto o che lesioni potrebbe subire. Ha detto che è stato preso all'ospedale come precauzione. Roberts, 52, ha comprato l'anno scorso domestico in Clyde Port sull'isola di Hupper della Maine. Clyde Port, che fa parte della città della st George, è di circa 90 miglia dal nordest dell'automobile di Portland, a metà strada sul litorale della Maine. L'avvenimento si è verificato intorno il 2 pomeridiane EDT, ad esempio il fuoco Tim principale Polky della st George. Roberts è stato preso in barca riservata al continente ed allora trasferito ad un'ambulanza, Polky ha detto. "Era quando lo hanno messo nel salvataggio (veicolo) e lo hanno preso al centro medico della baia di Penobscot,„ Polky cosciente ed attento detto. Un portavoce all'ospedale di Rockport immediatamente non ha restituito una chiamata dalla pressione collegata. Chiamato alla corte dal presidente Bush in 2005, Roberts è la giustizia più giovane su una corte in cui il membro maggiore, John Paul Stevens, è 87. Bush era informed dell'ospedalizzazione dal suo capo del personale, Josh Bolten, la Casa Bianca detta. Roberts è il padre di due bambini in giovane età. Nell'inizio degli anni 90, Roberts non potrebbe guidare per parecchi mesi dopo che avesse un episodio di svenimento improvviso, ad esempio Larry Robbins, un avvocato de Washington che ha lavorato con Roberts al reparto della giustizia.
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Robbins ha detto che ha guidato Roberts a lavoro durante quel tempo. Ha detto che Roberts non ha accennato mai che cosa il problema era e non lo ha sentito parlare mai che accade ancora.

"http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070730/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_roberts

Presidente Leahy, portello del presidente gli dirò che cosa il problema era. La giustizia principale John Roberts era presidente avvelenato, io sa che là è senso questo era un incidente semplice di canottaggio. Signore, ci è accendere cover-up enorme qui e deve essere risolto che IMMEDIATAMENTE. Credo che la giustizia Rhenquist inoltre sia stata avvelenata, di modo che morrebbe presto e rimuoverebbe l'opposizione. Abbiamo avuti una notte scorsa di sogno ed era ai bacini, qualcuno slittato fuori ed è caduto quasi uccidendosi ma non era loro fare. Qualcuno era là accertarsi che cadessero, intendendo farli morire & più successivamente stante maneggiato dal veleno e da quello è un fatto. Presidente, abbiamo dato a giustizia principale Roberts un collettivo enorme di prova quasi tutta la prova contro il Consiglio turco americano & il relativo treason di vendere fuori gli Stati Uniti, intenzioni distruggere la Russia ecc. Anche al suo capo del personale. Un sig. Fisher del Fischi-ventilatore inoltre ha trasportato un pacchetto enorme di prova in persona al capo del personale a giustizia Roberts, crediamo che la giustizia Roberts abbia preso la prova ed abbia scoperto ancor più di esso che mostra il treason assoluto da Dick Cheney. Crediamo che la abbia presa alla Corte di Giustizia internazionale per un'udienza, di modo che questo uomo sarebbe provato per treason e tutte le sue discussioni esecutive di privilegio far tacere a forza di grida. La giustizia che Roberts ha accosentito questo ha costituito il treason totale, un disastro del mondo. Crediamo che abbia scoperto più lime nascoste nella Corte suprema.

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"Il vice presidente Richard Cheney, ministro Colin Powell, il delegato che il ministro Richard Armitage, i ministri di Donald commerciale Evans e di difesa Donald Ramsfeld e il co-presidente degli Stati Uniti del gruppo Rudolph Perina di OSCE Minsk. Inoltre, il sig. Aliyev ha avuto colloqui con l'amministrazione della banca del mondo e la società di finanza internazionale, ha partecipato corridoio est-ovest a grande congresso ": La realtà„ organizzata tramite l'Azerbaijan, la Georgia, la Turchia e la gestione degli Stati Uniti e dedicata alle condutture deBacu-Tbilisi-Erzurum e deBacu-Tbilisi-Ceyhan ed assistita a la sign dello statuto de Roma della corte criminale internazionale dall'ambasciatore di Azeri negli S.U.A. Hafiz Pashayev e delegato ministro per Europa e Eurasia Elisabeth Jones. Conforme a quell'accordo, i partiti ad esso accosentono per non andare alla corte criminale internazionale sopra i crimini commessi dai cittadini del Azeri negli S.U.A. e dai cittadini degli Stati Uniti nell'Azerbaijan. L'ordine del giorno di tutte quelle riunioni era piuttosto vasto ed ha riguardato il termine attuale dei rapporti bilaterali, il progresso nel progetto deBacu-Tbilisi-Ceyhan, gli sforzi fatti per risolvere il conflitto Arminiano-Azeri, la possibilità di contatore-terrorismo unito e regionale così come gli sviluppi globali.
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" http://www.ice.gov.it/estero2/baku/febbraio03.htm Cheney & Edelman hanno scoperto che la giustizia Roberts ha saputo circa il loro treason e stava andando accertarla è stata arrestata per treason. Così Cheney ha progettato un tentativo di assassinio, lui non ha coordinato niente più di meno di un tentativo di assassinio sulla testa della Corte suprema, la giustizia principale Roberts. Per effettuare il tentativo di assassinio, crediamo che abbia invitato deliberatamente Antoin Scalia per farlo in modo che Scalia, un traitor reale negli Stati Uniti sia diventato capo della Corte suprema. Antoin Scalia è colpevole di sedit possibile ion against the United States.

It was Antoin Scalia, who got Cheney elected into office so that John Bolton & the rest of the American Turkish Council, the traitors in Azerbaijan could colonize Eura Asia and create the Eco Secretariat Baku Project, over 40 different pipelines controlled by Azeri & other vile dictators so the Middle East could be enslaved by Rome. We believe he put Bush & others into the office, so they would be enslaved and forced to do everything Cheney said including anything that the ATC wanted in the Middle East....or their families would be killed. They went along with it, we believe it has been this way since day one. Chairman, Antoin Scalia covered up all of this which you hear in the soundfiles below he is in fact a traitor and has to be arrested.

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http://media.switchpod.com/users/lukery/sibelalaunclassifed.mp3

http://www.blip.tv/file/314908

There needs to be a complete investigation all over, of the attempted assassination of Justice Roberts whom we believe found out about Scalia's treason & was targeted. There must be a full Grand Jury investigation almost IMMEDIATELY of all of Antoin Scalia's contributors, all of his lobbyists, all of his trips and who is giving him the money to run his court. The only Justice who disgustingly dissented against regulating the EPA for Global Warming, because he is so foolish that he believes the Pipeline Projects are more important than Global Warming. INTERPOL: Start an IMMEDIATE investigation, no excuses of the attempted murder of Justice John Roberts!!!!!!! Prosecutor Woodcock & European Police, begin the FULL investigation of any of Cheney's involvement in trying to kill Chief Justice Roberts, its time to nail this down. FORCE a Grand Jury investigation of Antoin Scalia to begin immediately, we will find out who ALL of his best friends and lobbyists are!!!!! We will find out how long he has been taking the bribes off the American Turkish Council, guaranteed....START IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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http://www.criticalexponent.org/blog/2006/02/01/alberto-gonzales-lied-to-congress/

ALBERTO GONZALES LIED TO EVERYONE: BEGIN THE IMPEACHMENT & INDICTMENT OF ALBERTO GONZALES ONCE AND FOR ALL.....

Ready to do something for America not yourself? Support American Whistleblower & Patriot Jeff Fisher. Order his official book first-draft. Learn the life of an American Whistleblower up close and learn how to save America.

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All payments or proceeds go direct to support of Whistleblower Jeff Fisher, in his continued fight to expose the truth about Apartheid in Ultra Zionist Israel- its military control over "The Straights" Baypoint School & Growing Together programs which stole multiple elections. All financed by the American Turkish Council, who blew up our twin towers on September Eleventh.

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Now I ask you one question. When a child does something wrong they get told that its is bad and they should not do it again. Why do we ok crimes that relate to the death of millions to be swept under the rug. Our Whistleblower uncovered the crimes about BayPoint School and the Turkish American Council and its direct relationship with AIPAC, which is an element of the Council.

Today children go to the movies to watch super heroes like Spiderman and Batman and Superman and the Hulk to seek an escape from the reality of what a police state and realm of fear Americans are living in since September 11th, 2001. Well one man on July 27th 2004 uncovered the absolute truth and continues to revel the truth that now means he will testify against Vice President Richard B Cheney if he not terminated first.

The world is going to know all about this man and BayPoint School with or without your help.

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Therefore I am now also posting another letter that went out that is very true and knowing Mr. Fisher will increase this week if he keeps fighting for our nation and the peace for the entire Middle East.

PREPARE FOR WORLD WAR.........

TWO MORE COUNTRIES ARE BOYCOTTING ISRAEL & THE VATICAN, IF AIPAC DOES NOT COME CLEAN AND ADMIT THE HORRORS IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR IN BAYPOINT SCHOOL AND ELSEWHERE.......

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http://www.lulu.com/content/743942

ALL ADVERTISERS TO THE MEDIA WILL BE TARGETED, FOR CRIPPLING BOYCOTT & THEIR FALL UNTIL THEY TELL THE TRUTH.........

ITS TIME TO TURN THAT BLOODY NOSE THEY WERE GIVEN, INTO AN UPPERCUT STRAIGHT TO THE FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072807A.shtml

STRAIGHT ON THE FACE OF THE TREASONOUS BAR & CROWN TEMPLE ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!

SPREAD THE WORD ALL OVER THE WORLD........

THE FINAL WAR AGAINST AIPAC & ITS TREASONOUS PEDDLERS, THE UNION OF THE AMERICAN TURKISH COUNCIL BEGINS.........NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TO THE FRONT LINES UNTIL THEIR END!!!!!

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From: Jante DeGaul
Date: Jul 28, 2007 4:23 AM
Subject: Conspiracy> RE : Fw: Re: Fw: Fwd: PBS Tonight - Palast on 'NOW': 'The fix is in' for 2008
To: WindyWanda , Pre