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The Region: Self-made Nakba
by Barry Rubin Tuesday, May. 20, 2008 at 10:17 AM

It's become fashionable to match the celebration of Israel's founding (part of the media can't even admit that Israelis are celebrating) with Palestinians' marking of their 1948 "nakba," or catastrophe. Yet whose fault is it that they didn't use those six decades constructively? And who killed the independent Palestinian state alongside Israel that was part of the partition plan? Answer: The Arab states and Palestinian leadership themselves.

The Region: Self-made Nakba

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The mourners were the murderers.

You can read details in my book, The Arab States and the Palestine Conflict. A summary: The key point is that in rejecting partition, in demanding everything and starting a war it could not win, the Arab side ensured endless conflict, the Palestinian refugee issue, and no Palestine. It wasn't murder - it was suicide.

Or in the words of General John Glubb, commander of Jordan's army: "The politicians, the demagogues, the press, and the mob were in charge... Warnings went unheeded. Doubters were denounced as traitors."

Briefly, the British tried to help the Arabs win; the Americans to assist them in finding a last-minute way out; and the soon-to-be Israeli Jews were ready to have a Palestinian state alongside Israel if their neighbors had accepted it.

THE BRITISH government provided money and arms to Arab states (for Egypt, 40 warplanes and 300 troop carriers; for Iraq, planes as well as antiaircraft and antitank guns; for Saudi Arabia, a military training mission) while embargoing them to Israel. The British government also tipped off Arabs about the timing of its withdrawals (giving Arabs a head start to seize abandoned installations), subsidized the Arab League, blocked Jewish immigration and let British officers run Jordan's army in the war against Israel.

Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Said later said, "It became clear to us that Britain viewed with favor the Arab aims regarding Palestine."

It's well-known that President Harry Truman supported partition and quickly recognized Israel. But in March 1948 the US government offered the Arab states a serious plan to suspend partition, block a Jewish state, and create a new, long-term trusteeship. They considered but rejected it, even after Washington proposed an international peacekeeping force - including Egyptian troops - to maintain order.

Finally, if the Arab side had accepted partition, the Jewish leadership would have accepted the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state. Many Jewish leaders were desperate to get a state at all, lacked confidence they would win the war, and knew they could not buck an international consensus.

WHY, THEN, did the Arab side, and especially the Palestinian leadership, reject partition, go to war, and trigger a 60-year-long crisis that was a disaster for their people?

There are four basic reasons:

• Palestinian leader Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem, was a man who thought like Hamas. Fresh from his stay in Berlin, where he cooperated with Adolf Hitler, he hated Jews, wanted to destroy them and could not envision compromise.

• Pressure from radical forces and public opinion made it unthinkable, or suicidal, for Arab regimes not to go along with all-out war even when they feared the worst.

• Arab states competed for influence, seeing the future Palestine either as their satellite or a place where they could seize land for themselves.

• Finally, they thought they would win easily. Even the moderate Jordanian King Abdullah said, "It does not matter how many there are. We will sweep them into the sea!" Syria's prime minister warned that the Arabs would "teach the treacherous Jews an unforgettable lesson."

The leader of Syria's client guerrilla force, Fawzi al-Kaukji, bragged: "We will murder, wreck and ruin everything standing in our way, be it English, American or Jewish." He explained that the holy war would be won not through weapons but through self-sacrificing Arab fighters.

Sixty years later, radical Arab nationalists and Islamists frequently make the same claim.

True, Arab armies were badly led, badly trained, and uncoordinated. Arab regimes distrusted and disliked the Palestinian leadership and bickered among themselves, striving for individual advantage. This was a pattern often repeated in later years. Abdullah secretly negotiated with the Zionists but they distrusted him, knew he couldn't control the other leaders, and he offered too little.

Still, the consensus was, in the words of a US intelligence report, "The loosely organized, ill-equipped armies of the Arab nations do not have any capabilities against a modern opponent but they do have the strength to overrun Jewish resistance in Palestine...."

IT DIDN'T work out that way. The nascent Israeli forces gained ground against the Husseini and Kaukji forces before the Arab states' invasion, then largely won the ensuing international war.

Neither during the conflict nor after their defeat did the regimes help create an independent Palestinian Arab state. Egypt held the Gaza Strip; Jordan annexed the West Bank.

Their rejection of peace so often thereafter made the conflict last until now. The continuation of these policies today by much of the Palestinian leadership - either explicitly or in practice - could make it last another century.

Yet 60 years later, the Arab side has the hutzpa to complain - and a good part of the Western media echo - that they were Israel's victims in 1948.

Back then, Kaukji explained that once the Arabs started winning, the Western media would proclaim, "The Arab cause is a just one." The Arab side made no secret of the fact that the Jews were the underdog, and everyone knew what happened to underdogs. As Arab League Secretary-General Abd al-Rahman Azzam explained, "This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre...."

BY THE way, what slogan were Palestinian schoolchildren told to chant at the Nakba Day demonstrations organized by the PA? Why, "Palestine is all ours!" of course, the same slogan as in 1948.

Sad to say, the main complaint of Palestinians today is still not so much that they are Israel's victims, but that, so far, Israel hasn't been theirs, Azzam-style.

What would Kaukji think to learn that, in fact, the Western media would proclaim: "The Arab cause is a just one" only after the Arabs had so thoroughly and repeatedly failed to gain such a bloody total victory, though long before they fully accepted the lessons of that failure?

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They lost
by They lost Tuesday, May. 20, 2008 at 11:06 AM

Nakba means "Holy crap! We lost!"

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tell us
by PrionPartyy Saturday, May. 24, 2008 at 9:22 PM

Lost? Lost what??? The Zionist's chosen war of conquest?

Well golly. Poles lost the NAZI's war of conquest too.

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"The Zionist's chosen war of conquest?"
by nessie Saturday, May. 24, 2008 at 9:58 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

I see our resident raghead has nothing new to say. We'll have to search elsewhere for insight into the mind of Jizzlam.


Either Allah isn’t on their side, or jihadis are just plain useless

You would think that by now Allah’s message might be getting through. Time after time Muslim fanatics attempt to wreak devastation in Britain – and succeed only in blowing themselves up, or setting themselves on fire, or their explosives refuse to do the decent thing and explode – while we infidel cockroaches look on in bemusement, quite unharmed.

If you were a devout believer, you might put two and two together and begin to suspect that Allah doesn’t entirely approve of blowing British people to bits. He would much rather his jihadis stayed at home and watched the Eurovision Song Contest, or did a spot of gardening, or took the dog for a walk.

It is presumptuous of me to second-guess Allah’s thought processes, of course. But then quite a few incendiary Muslim clerics insisted that the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami was down to Allah being a bit peeved at the state of the world and unleashing his righteous watery vengeance upon it. To which you might reply that it was very odd of Him, then, to single out a devoutly Muslim country, Indonesia, for the brunt of the carnage. Maybe He just missed.

It seems that the chap who successfully maimed himself in Exeter had somehow been got at by extremists, according to the police. Nicky Reilly, 22, is very reclusive and apparently has a history of mental illness.

“We believe that he was preyed upon, radicalised and taken advantage of,” a copper said, surprisingly quickly after they had arrested him.

So it may well be that the fundamentalists have resorted to that brave and noble tactic of sending the mentally impaired or deeply troubled off to do their dirty work, lacking the resolve and commitment to do so themselves. Al-Qaeda, you may remember, strapped explosives to two women who’d suffered from mental illness and sent them to a market in downtown Baghdad where these walking bombs were detonated remotely, wiping them out together with 91 other people.

On the other hand, we should remember that this latest botched attack took place in Exeter, a city less accustomed to finding itself the target of Islamist fury than, say, Tel Aviv or New York. It may be simply that the Devon and Cornwall police are unfamiliar with the usual IQ levels of Muslim terrorists.

I suppose that many years hence the terrible destruction of the twin towers will still be lodged in our minds, the image of the buildings crumpling, the video of Osama Bin Laden sniggering in his cave. But a similarly iconic image would be of the moron Richard Reid trying desperately to set his training shoe on fire on a plane, having forgotten to bring a lighter. They are either extraordinarily useless or Allah has got it in for them.

*****

Under a new European Union directive, fortune tellers, astrologers and faith healers will henceforth be forced to display a sign saying that their services are “for entertainment only” and not “experimentally proven”. But they will have seen that coming, I suppose – just as, rather spookily, you will have seen that joke coming as soon as you started to read these words.

Normally one would support any attempt to get to grips with the purveyors of fraudulent new age bollocks, headscarf-wearing pikey charlatans and the likes of Russell Grant. But it is a slippery slope. Start legislating against things in which people are inclined to believe but which are not “experimentally proven” and the whole edifice of western civilisation might come crashing down: we would lose all female skin care products, the Pope, wind farms, all economists, the Kyoto protocol on climate change, sub-prime mortgages, Polly Toynbee, those beaded car seat covers taxi drivers use, the insurance industry, humidifiers, management consultants, all ethnic and gender monitoring organisations, “superfoods”, bottle recycling plants, continental yoghurt-based products which supposedly stop women from being constipated and the Conservative party.

Indiana Jones and the PC plague

The imperialist bigot Indiana Jones is back with another film – which has rightly been condemned by a leading archeologist as being unethical and a betrayal of proper modern archeological procedure. Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull has not met with the approval of Professor Claire Smith: Jones uses valuable archeological artefacts to swat people about the head, which is wrong, she complains. And she adds: “The native people who hinder Jones in Crystal Skull are in fact the descendants of the people who made the artefacts that Jones seeks – and the contemporary cultural custodians of the site.” Quite right: do you think we should picket the film?

I haven’t felt so politically energised since an article in The Guardian pointed out that in the last Harry Potter film there were no disabled access ramps to be seen in Hogwarts and none of the house elves was black or crippled. Anyway, thankfully Professor Smith is to be taken on as a consultant on the next film in the series, provisionally entitled Indiana Jones and the Non-Invasive Consensual Restoration of Artefacts to Those Communities Who, in a Very Real Sense, Have Ownership of Them.

Gordon reluctant to feel pain of Dalai Lama

The Dalai Lama’s 11-day visit to Britain culminated in a meeting with Gordon Brown – who treated Tibet’s spiritual leader in much the same way you might treat some old slapper with whom you had a hasty liaison several years ago and is now on the phone demanding maintenance. At first Gordon wouldn’t return the Dalai Lama’s calls, refusing to confirm whether he’d meet the man at all. In the end, he scurried to Lambeth Palace for a quick tête-à-tête – not a political meeting as such, you understand, but a “spiritual” event.

We might imagine Gordon sitting there, shifting in his seat, checking his watch and fiddling with his tie, saying, “China, yes, yes, absolutely ghastly, I quite agree. I feel your pain, Lama.” Then getting the hell back to Downing Street as fast as his car would carry him, quickly ringing the Chinese to insist, “No, don’t be silly, it was nothing serious, just this bloke I met at the archbishop's gaff.”

Incidentally, the emetic or vaguely hilarious “I feel your pain” line is rapidly becoming Gordon’s “I’m a pretty straight kinda guy”.

*****

There was an interesting piece of research published from Newcastle University this week by a chap called Bruce Charlton. He states that attempts to let in more working-class kids to universities are misguided because, on average, the top social classes have a much higher IQ than those from the lower classes.

Few would dispute that, on average, lawyers tend to be cleverer than people who, say, hose the blood off the walls of an abattoir for a living. But this is not necessarily true of their respective wives and therefore still less likely to be true of their children. Charlton, I think, has measured the wrong thing. Perhaps he had thick, working-class parents himself . . .

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the nazis lost too
by so, you know what Sunday, May. 25, 2008 at 7:37 AM

if Hitler said "i'll surrender by I get to keep the Sudatenand and Austria, it woul be about the same.
Since when do the losers in a war get to dictate terms to the winners?

The Arabs lost. Many times. Israel won. Deal with it.

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"Amin al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem"
by history buff Monday, May. 26, 2008 at 3:51 PM

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/160324_comment.php#163011

Every time they bring up Al-Husseini, I’m going to tell you about Polkes, Begin, Shamir and the rest of the Nazi collaborator/terrorist gang that founded the rogue state of Israel.

Hajj Amin Al Husseini wasn't Hitler's only stooge in British occupied Palestine. Consider the case of Fieval Polkes:

"Von Bolschwing was deeply involved in intelligence work--and in the persecution of innocent people -- for most of his adult life. He had joined the Nazi party at the age of twenty-three, in 1932, and had become an SD (party security service) informer almost immediately. In the years leading up to 1939, von Bolschwing became a leading Nazi intelligence agent in the Middle East, where he worked under cover as an importer in Jerusalem. One of his first brushes with Nazi espionage work, according to captured SS records, was a role in creating a covert agreement between the Nazis and Fieval Polkes, a commander of the militant Zionist organization Haganah, whom von Bolschwing had met through business associates in the Mideast. Under the arrangement the Haganah was permitted to run recruiting and training camps for Jewish youth inside Germany. These young people, as well as certain other Jews driven out of Germany by the Nazis, were encouraged to emigrate to Palestine. Polkes and the Haganah, in return, agreed to provide the SS with intelligence about British affairs in Palestine. Captured German records claim that Polkes believed the increasingly brutal Nazi persecution of the Jews could be turned to Zionist advantage -- at least temporarily -- by compelling Jewish immigration to Palestine, and that the Haganah commander's sole source of income, moreover, was secret funds from the SS.

It was in the course of these negotiations that the young Baron von Bolschwing gained the trust of Adolf Eichmann, who was at the time an obscure SS functionary specializing in intelligence on Freemasonry and Jewish affairs for the Nazi party. The acquaintance was more than a casual one, for von Bolschwing went on to play a central role in arranging conferences between Eichmann and Polkes in Vienna and Cairo, contacts that established Eichmann as the SS's Jewish affairs expert and laid the foundation for his later career as the architect of the extermination of European Jewry.”

-- Blowback : America's Recruitment of Nazis and Its Effects on the Cold War by Christopher Simpson, ISBN: 1555841066, p 253

Simpson’s source on this is:

Sicherheitsdienst des RFSS SD-Hauptamt, Palastinareise Bericht (U.S. designation no. 173-b-16-14/61), now at Frames 2936012-2936068, microfilm roll 411, T-175, RG 242, NA, Washington, D.C.

* * * * *

After the war, von Bolschwing settled in California. He became a Republican Party activist and a personal friend of Richard Nixon. Among his other accomplishments, he perpetrated the single largest stock fraud in California’s history. He squirmed out of the charges when a patsy took the fall for him. Later he was partners in a defense electronics company called TCI with Iran-contra figures Richard Secord and (Iranian Jew) Albert Hakim.

What a guy, huh? For details, see:

http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mbtape11,22,81,520.htm

* * * * *

Then there was Menachem Begin, terrorist extrordinaire, who later was elected to the highest office in the land.

Before that, he waged war against Hitler enemies.

See:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/irgun.html

Irgun Zeva'i Le'umi
“The National Military Organization” (Etzel, I.Z.L.)

(snip)

From 1943 Etzel was headed by Menachem Begin. In February 1944, Etzel declared war against the British administration. It attacked and blew up government offices, military installations and police stations.

(snip)

* * * * *

Begin was not just a founding father of Israel, but also the butcher of Deir Yassin, Palestine’s very own Lidice:


See:

http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html

(snip)

Early in the morning of Friday, April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun, headed by Menachem Begin, and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. It was several weeks before the end of the British Mandate. The village lay outside of the area that the United Nations recommended be included in a future Jewish State. Deir Yassin had a peaceful reputation and was even said by a Jewish newspaper to have driven out some Arab militants. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and one plan, kept secret until years afterwards, called for it to be destroyed and the residents evacuated to make way for a small airfield that would supply the beleaguered Jewish residents of Jerusalem.

By noon over 100 people, half of them women and children, had been systematically murdered. Four commandos died at the hands of resisting Palestinians using old Mausers and muskets. Twenty-five male villagers were loaded into trucks, paraded through the Zakhron Yosef quarter in Jerusalem, and then taken to a stone quarry along the road between Givat Shaul and Deir Yassin and shot to death. The remaining residents were driven to Arab East Jerusalem.

That evening the Irgunists and the Sternists escorted a party of foreign correspondents to a house at Givat Shaul, a nearby Jewish settlement founded in 1906. Over tea and cookies they amplified the details of the operation and justified it, saying Deir Yassin had become a concentration point for Arabs, including Syrians and Iraqis, planning to attack the western suburbs of Jerusalem. They said that 25 members of the Haganah militia had reinforced the attack and claimed that an Arabic-speaking Jew had warned the villagers over a loudspeaker from an armored car. This was duly reported in The New York Times on April 10.

A final body count of 254 was reported by The New York Times on April 13, a day after they were finally buried. By then the leaders of the Haganah had distanced themselves from having participated in the attack and issued a statement denouncing the dissidents of Irgun and the Stern Gang, just as they had after the attack on the King David Hotel in July 1946. A 1987 study undertaken by Birzeit University's Center for Research and Documentation of Palestinian Society found "the numbers of those killed does not exceed 120".

The Haganah leaders admitted that the massacre "disgraced the cause of Jewish fighters and dishonored Jewish arms and the Jewish flag." They played down the fact that their militia had reinforced the terrorists' attack, even though they did not participate in the barbarism and looting during the subsequent "mopping up" operations.

They also played down the fact that, in Begin's words, "Deir Yassin was captured with the knowledge of the Haganah and with the approval of its commander" as a part of its "plan for establishing an airfield."

Ben Gurion even sent an apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But this horrific act served the future State of Israel well. According to Begin, “Arabs throughout the country, induced to believe wild tales of ‘Irgun butchery,’ were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives. This mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated.”

(snip)

Of about 144 houses, 10 were dynamited. The cemetery was later bulldozed and, like hundreds of other Palestinian villages to follow, Deir Yassin was wiped off the map. By September, Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Poland, Rumania, and Slovakia were settled there over the objections of Martin Buber, Cecil Roth and other Jewish leaders, who believed that the site of the massacre should be left uninhabited. The center of the village was renamed Givat Shaul Bet. As Jerusalem expanded, the land of Deir Yassin became part of the city and is now known simply as the area between Givat Shaul and the settlement of Har Nof on the western slopes of the mountain.

The massacre of Palestinians at Deir Yassin is one of the most significant events in 20th-century Palestinian and Israeli history. This is not because of its size or its brutality, but because it stands as the starkest early warning of a calculated depopulation of over 400 Arab villages and cities and the expulsion of over 700,000 Palestinian inhabitants to make room for survivors of the Holocaust and other Jews from the rest of the world.

(snip)


* * * * *

Then there was Yitzhak Shamir . . .


http://www.marxists.de/middleast/ironwall/15-shamir.htm

(snip)

Shamir’s Background

(snip)

. . . was born Yitzhak Yzernitzky, in Rozeny, in what is now Byelorussia, in 1915.

(snip)

Little is known of his Irgun career, but one incident stands out. In 1938 Yzernitzky and a 15-year-old recruit, Eliyahu Bet Zouri, tried to blow up a WZO defence fund collection booth which levied a toll on Jewish travellers leaving Tel Aviv. They planted a crude gunpowder bomb which went off prematurely, severely burning Bet Zouri’s legs and scorching the face of Israel’s future Prime Minister. But this bizarre incident was a mere nothing compared to his career as a leading figure in the “Stern Gang”.

(snip)

* * * * *

>a 15-year-old recruit,

Just in case you were wondering who first armed children in Palestine.

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"Poles lost the NAZI's war of conquest too."
by history buff Monday, Jun. 09, 2008 at 7:25 AM

Only for a while. Then the Nazis got what was coming to them. Eventually, so will their students, the Zionists.

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The British were enemies
by Lawandika Monday, Jun. 09, 2008 at 12:23 PM

The british refused to let Jews into Israel- thats why they Jews fought against them. If the British had'nt prevented Jewish immigration into Israel , many thousands of lives would have been saved.
The British were the enemies of the Jews. The nazis were the enemies of the Jews.
I guess history bluff doesn't actually read any history. Try watching the movie Exodus, if you don't like books

I guess this means the enemy of my enemy aint necessarily my friend.

Another cliche bites the dust

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"Eventually, so will their students, the Zionists"
by not a sloganeering mental cripple Monday, Jun. 09, 2008 at 2:23 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

Ever notice how the moped assembler who claimed to be a "journalist" hasn't an original thought in his microcephalic head? Ackmed must pay him by the slogan.

I'm not in a mental institution, but that doesn't mean it's not true, and if you don't believe me, then you're not who I'm talking to. 

         

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Ever notice how
by debate coach Tuesday, Jun. 10, 2008 at 6:08 PM

ad hominem attacks appear when facts cannot be refuted? It's a lame attempt to distract you from the truth, i.e., the only difference between a Nazi and a Zionist is the name of their favorite ethnic group. A racist is a racist is a racist. Down with them all.

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"Down with them all"
by just wondering Tuesday, Jun. 10, 2008 at 8:49 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

Does that include the racist ragheads too, nessie?

Be careful with your answer, you terrorist fellating sack of shit.

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"you terrorist fellating sack of shit"
by an ad hominem is not a rebuttal Thursday, Jun. 12, 2008 at 7:39 PM

See what I mean?

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nessie, terrorist fellating sack of shit
by nessie Friday, Jun. 13, 2008 at 8:16 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

nessie pulls out the mold covered "ad hominem" because he won't address the carpet burns. nessie will not speak out in any fashion against the Muslims because he's a self-loathing nutless coward with white guilt.

nessie, the all purpose waste of skin.

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Quick, change the subject.
by yammity, yammity Friday, Jun. 13, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Don't think about the racism and apartheid that is the crusader-colonialist State of Israel.

Think about nessie instead.

Nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, nessie, !!!!!!!!!


NOT racism and apartheid, goddamnit. NESSIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


NESSIE, NESSIE NESSIE!!!!!!!!

Think about NESSIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or something else, anything else, just not the racist atrocity that is Zionism.

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see what I mean?
by nessie Saturday, Jun. 14, 2008 at 12:51 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

As was stated, nessie will not by any means acknowledge the racist and misogynist atrocity that is Jizzlam, because he is a nutless yellow coward.

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"nutless yellow coward"
by heard it before Saturday, Jun. 14, 2008 at 6:32 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

Perhaps there's a reason why I'm nutless. Could it be Muslim barbarism?

 

 

 

OSLO (Reuters) - Police in Norway have arrested a Gambian-born man and charged him and his wife with subjecting five of their six daughters to genital mutilation, officials said on Friday.

The practice, also known as female circumcision, is outlawed in Norway and arouses horror among many people in the West but is a rite of passage for young women in many countries, predominantly in Africa.

The youngest of the five mutilated girls, all born in Norway, is five years old, police officials said. The others are aged seven, 10, 13 and 14 and live in Gambia, national broadcaster NRK reported.

Police officer Hanne Kristin Rohde, head of the violent crime and vice section of the Oslo police, said on Norwegian commercial television TV 2 that the father -- a naturalized Norwegian citizen along with his wife -- was taken into custody on Friday.

"Norwegian police have charged this couple of Gambian background for breaking the Norwegian law on genital mutilation -- five of their six daughters are circumcised," Rohde said.

The mother is pregnant with a seventh child and was deemed unfit to be held in jail.

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leftists turn and look the other way
by pointer Sunday, Jun. 15, 2008 at 12:38 PM

When it comes to atrocities against women, leftists look the other way. Pittsburgh IMC, in fact, deleted the above.

There is no excuse for hiding the truth. Absolutely none whatsoever.

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"leftists turn and look the other way"
by nessie Wednesday, Jun. 18, 2008 at 2:20 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

And we will never ever get off our knees and fight for ourselves. We will embrace "peace" as an excuse for being yellow cowards.

I'm not a yellow-bellied chickenshit, but that doesn't mean it's not true.

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"by nessie"
by this is a forgery Saturday, Jun. 21, 2008 at 8:34 PM

This is a forgery, one of many. For some idea of how often nessie's name gets forged, Google "nessie indymedia forgery" and see what comes up:

http://tinyurl.com/2wsq6m

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nessie the spamming bedwetter
by nessie Sunday, Jun. 29, 2008 at 12:09 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

Note that nessie is more interested in "forgery" of a pseudonym than defending his bloody knees and encrusted lips.

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blah, blah, blah
by heard it before Sunday, Jun. 29, 2008 at 12:50 PM

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Example of Ad Hominem

1. Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

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there he goes again
by nessie Monday, Jun. 30, 2008 at 9:45 AM
nessie@pattonstate.com

Yet again nessie falls back on molded spam, instead of asserting what molecule of testosterone he might have left.

nessie is a yellow coward.

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interesting
by just wondering Wednesday, Jul. 02, 2008 at 8:37 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

The nessie character never once mentioned the grisly torture against women, instead choosing to try and change the subject by his Bobby Meade style of nonsensical spam. But who is surprised? Leftist scum don't really care for womens rights. All they care about is Ackmed's balls draining down their throats.

nessie - totally submissive, limp wristed, terrorist fellating yellow coward.

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Oh, and Nessie
by July 20th Friday, Jul. 04, 2008 at 10:03 AM

If I show up on July 20th at BT, are you going to throw me out?
You didn't when I came for the mural, but I suspect this time will be different.
I guess we'll just have to see, huh, old man?

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get to know the real Me before you condem me
by Nessie Monday, Jul. 07, 2008 at 12:52 AM











the ten things we all need to know about me Nessie

http://tinyurl.com/4df7fu

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get to know the real Me before you condem me
by Nessie Monday, Jul. 07, 2008 at 12:54 AM











the ten things we all need to know about me Nessie

http://tinyurl.com/4df7fu

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don't click on the link
by nessie Tuesday, Jul. 08, 2008 at 9:55 AM
nessie@pattonstate.com

As part of my probation, I'm a stoolie for the Feds. I collect IP addresses, so click on links at your own risk from sites such as "make a shorter link" and "tinyurl".

Think about it: why do I use those sites? So you'll connect to a dive before you realize what hit you. Maybe I've linked to a phishing site, or any site that's been compromised.

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nessie, NAMBLA asswipe
by nessie Wednesday, Jul. 09, 2008 at 10:15 PM
nessie@pattonstate.com

Where is that pathetic used asswipe anyway?

Is he somewhere lying again, claiming to be a "journalist" when he was nothing but a wrench turning 30-weight turd?

Or maybe he evaporated like dew in the morning sun?

Nah, most likely he's still at Patton State mental hospital.

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WIPE JIZRAEL OFF THE MAP
by ZIONISM IS RACISM!! END ISRAELI TERROR! Monday, Aug. 18, 2008 at 11:12 PM

Israel is a terror state. Wipe the right wing racist cum off the earth

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